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Would there be any restrictions?
 
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No, no restrictions. But there would be a lot more support for women who did choose to have a child, especially single mothers, and a lot less messed up sexual double standards. We don't like abortion either, but instead of trying to force women to have children when they don't want to, we want it to be an easier choice to make. But the decision will always ultimately be hers and hers alone.
 
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Lol, right. What's preventing you all from offering all this support you claim you want to right now? Also, if you truly didn't like abortion either it seems like you wouldn't have such contempt for others that also didn't "like" it and would, at least, understand why we don't "like" it.
 
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Republicans, duh. You know, the party of "cut funding for poor families and everything not going to people with six figure incomes."
 
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You are. You are what is preventing us. Conservatives keep stopping us from providing this support. That's why this is the only industrialized nation without mandatory maternity leave. That's why this country is all hung up on covering contraception for women. That's why this country has serious problems with rape culture and slut shaming. Conservatives keep trying to punish women for their sexuality, insisting that they must procreate, but then punishing them again if they don't do it as wives to affluent husbands. You know that a substantial portion of abortions are performed for mothers who already have children but cannot afford more, right? That's a demographic that is constantly ignored by the anti-woman faction. And that's why we don't accept your nonsense. It's not that you don't like abortions. It's that you don't like women. You only like them if you can portray them as a madonna, and are quick to abandon them if you can portray them as a whore.

We don't feel the need to control women. But we'd like it if they never felt like they couldn't afford to have a child. The choice should come with as little duress as possible, especially economic duress.
 
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Would there be any restrictions?

It's not a monolithic group. I wouldn't allow any abortions after the first trimester except for medical reasons. But not everyone agrees with me. :shrug: Who knows.
 
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Glad you got that out of your system yet it doesn't answer my question at all. You don't like us, I get that. I've known that for a long time now, so for that reason that keeps you from stepping up and offering support? As long as you're going to tell us what we truly believe, I'll do the same. Don't tell me you don't "like" abortion when so many on your side seem to believe that a developing baby in the womb is worthless tissue and something to be despised like cancer or a parasite or any of the other euphemisms you all use. It seems, to me many people who are a pro abortion have to justify it by describing the fetus in the worst most malevolent way. Don't tell me you don't "like" abortion if you'd support the choice to kill a baby during labor and delivery just so long as it's still in the womb. Shoot, I read a comment just tonight that it's not even a baby post birth as long as the umbilical cord is not yet cut so please, don't try to sell me your brand of "compassion".
 
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Would there be any restrictions?


i knew very few people that want zero restrictions just like there are few that want it banned under all circumstances


but i can only answer for myself and that answer as been the same for a long time


if it was up to me it would actually be more restrictive technically and the ZEF would have legislative rights. But my restrictions would do very little to impact whats going on in reality simply because the super vast amount of abortions happen before i would place my restrictions which would be at 20/21 weeks.

about 1.25 or less of abortion happen after that and as far as i know the super vast majority of them are only done to save the woman's life as its in immediate danger or the ZEF istself is severely deformed

but anyway i would make it at 20/21 weeks to try my best to make it as equal for BOTH lives as possible
 
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Wow, all way into halfway through the pregnancy. If you're ok with that, I'm sure you could be nudged to go further into the pregnancy, say 26 weeks? After all, it's just a month and a half longer.
 
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Wow, all way into halfway through the pregnancy. If you're ok with that, I'm sure you could be nudged to go further into the pregnancy, say 26 weeks? After all, it's just a month and a half longer.

well you said ONE of the key words

HALF


thats exactly ONE of the reasons i pick 20/21 weeks because it is HALF and because 21 weeks is the earliest possible viability

and no, i would not go to 26 weeks, the only way i could be nudged is lower not higher but not much lower because then its too far away from being as close to equal as it can be. I want both lives and the rights of both to be as respected as possible.

also even though RvW is already at 24 weeks which is 50% viability I also have no plans to fight against it, id like it lower but its actually pretty close to equal already.

If it was more solid of a cap and the ZEF had legislated rights at the same point it be near perfect in my opinion
 
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Ok, fair enough.
 
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Republicans, duh. You know, the party of "cut funding for poor families and everything not going to people with six figure incomes."

Ah yes, I forgot, Democrats just can't do anything or take action unless it's a law.
 
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No matter political affiliation abortion should only be allowed as an "elective procedure in the 1st month and beyond that based on medical necessity, IMO
 
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Would there be any restrictions?

Like any dynamic on this regard, the slider would simply slide. People previously seen as advocates would become detractors after a certain point and you would still have a group arguing for a more permissive set of rules. I am not sure where the slider would slide though since its not a group of monolithic blocks with certain groups all having individuals with exact same stances.

These things are always dynamic, even if they seem stagnant for a while though. All cultural and social constructs are.
 
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Would there be any restrictions?

Yes. Elective abortions would be banned after 20 weeks gestation.

After that point abortion would only be allowed if the pregnancy seriously threatened the mother's health or the fetus wasn't viable.
 
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Would there be any restrictions?



If abortion were left in the hands of the woman, her family, and her [doctor] as it had been for millinnea, advocates and restrictions would be irrelevant.
 
Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Yes. Elective abortions would be banned after 20 weeks gestation.

After that point abortion would only be allowed if the pregnancy seriously threatened the mother's health or the fetus wasn't viable.

funny I remember a bill in the house that said that exact thing for which just 6 Democrats voted for and the Senate refused to consider it. Clearly that is not the case
 
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If abortion were left in the hands of the woman, her family, and her [doctor] as it had been for millinnea, advocates and restrictions would be irrelevant.

If it were up the doctors there would be no abortions since they are against the Hippocratic Oath
 
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A question for you. Do you think there should be no limit whatsoever to abortion? Should a healthy woman be able to abort a healthy baby 10 minutes before delivery? It's her body right?

If abortion were left in the hands of the woman, her family, and her [doctor] as it had been for millinnea, advocates and restrictions would be irrelevant.

I think history has proven that having a random doctor sign off on something does not make it morally or medically sound. If you've got the cash, you can pay a doctor to ok absolutely anything you want.
 
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If it were up the doctors there would be no abortions since they are against the Hippocratic Oath

No doctor is forced to perform any medical procedure he is opposed to. Your contention would be true if no doctors today performed abortions...which we know is incorrect.
 
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No doctor is forced to perform any medical procedure he is opposed to. Your contention would be true if no doctors today performed abortions...which we know is incorrect.

Just not any reputable doctors and of course bastardization of the Hippocratic oath doesn't help.
 
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That’s my question, X Factor: Would those who now compare an unborn to a smoker’s tumor or to a vicious parasite intent on sexually assaulting a woman or who use other malevolent terms stop using these terms?
 
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Just not any reputable doctors and of course bastardization of the Hippocratic oath doesn't help.

Both of which are irrelevant to my post...and contraditory to your initial post.
 
Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Ok, fair enough.

ok so is the opposite of your question also fair then?


What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to anti- abortion rights advocates?

would there be any exceptions?

I mean "I" understand everybody is different

but would the voice of the moderates be drowned out? just saying theres qoute a few poster here that tell people who identify themselves as pro-life that they really arent.
Reasons ranging from they allow ANY exceptions, to they allow more exceptions than immediate healthy risk, they think anything first trimester is ok, to they personally are against abortion but understand its not thier decision to regulate it for others.

the point is the super vast majority of all of us support choice its just a wide range of degrees while very few of us support zero choice.
people can call it what they want but thats the reality.
 
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Both of which are irrelevant to my post...and contraditory to your initial post.

Yes it is, you made you claim that "doctors" have been authorizing abortions for millinnea but from from its inception in the 5th century BC until 1964 abortion was against the Hippocratic oath so doctors prior to this were hardly really doctors if they were routinely breaking the Hippocratic oath.
 
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