What willl be after Copenhagen

[indianelephant]

What willl be after Copenhagen?

As we know that the world climate is worsening day by day.
And the global community have different opinions on it. China holds that deveoloped countries should do more thank developing countries. I think that China is right. Developed countries should and must be responsible for the damage of global ecological balance.
Forum.globaltimes.cn is the lagest most open english forum in China, and it will hold a debate on Climate climate change next week, and lots of international guys will come to join in.
And the topic will be :
Copenhagen: Developed Countries Must Do More!

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[spud_meister]

What willl be after Copenhagen?

As we know that the world climate is worsening day by day.
And the global community have different opinions on it. China holds that deveoloped countries should do more thank developing countries. I think that China is right. Developed countries should and must be responsible for the damage of global ecological balance.
Forum.globaltimes.cn is the lagest most open english forum in China, and it will hold a debate on Climate climate change next week, and lots of international guys will come to join in.
And the topic will be :
Copenhagen: Developed Countries Must Do More!

[Others] [GT Hot Issues Debate - Copenhagen:]--Announcement for recruiting debaters - Global Times Forum--Discuss China,Discuss the world--The Most Open and Objective Forum in China

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i agree, developed countries started this, but it is the developing countries that are peretuating it, just this year Australia made several billion dollars selling coal to india and china alone, a point raised by lots of small island nations is that the pollution spewed out by the developing countries is causing sea levels to rise, and when the highest point on your island is a mere 3 metres above sea level, it's cause for alarm

 

[indianelephant]

No one here are interested in climate change or debate?
So strange!

 

[BmanMcfly]

What willl be after Copenhagen?

A global carbon tax and an unelected, unrepresentative government body to collect that tax.

As we know that the world climate is worsening day by day.

No, the environment is becoming more polluted / toxic. The problem is not that the ice caps melt in the summer and freeze in the winter.

And the global community have different opinions on it.

Good thing there are people calling it out as the scam this treaty represents.

China holds that deveoloped countries should do more thank developing countries. I think that China is right.

Of course it would say that, China is posturing itself as a 'developing' nation as to be exempt (or at least mostly exempt)

Developed countries should and must be responsible for the damage of global ecological balance.

No, the corporations and industries that are causing the most environmental damages need to be held accountable for the actions of that industry.

In other words, if you cant make a product without massive amounts of chemical waste being spewed out... then the product does more harm then good and should be taken off the market. Paying Al Gore hundreds of billions of dollars a year so that you can feel good, meanwhile Al Gore (and other like minded people / corporations) will maybe plant a tree in some third world country and say 'we're almost done fixing the environment, we just need a higher carbon tax'.

Forum.globaltimes.cn is the lagest most open english forum in China, and it will hold a debate on Climate climate change next week, and lots of international guys will come to join in.
And the topic will be :
Copenhagen: Developed Countries Must Do More!

[Others] [GT Hot Issues Debate - Copenhagen:]--Announcement for recruiting debaters - Global Times Forum--Discuss China,Discuss the world--The Most Open and Objective Forum in China

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Oh yay... those corrupt scientists that were implicated are going to tell all of us how we're hurting the environment by drinking soda pop and breathing too much.

Then look at the 'innovation' coming from the 'green movement' : BIOFUELS.

Yes, that's a great idea, millions of people die of starvation every year, and here we are taking all of our excess food and turning into fuel so that it can be burned... it's good cause it's clean. It's bad because it's doubled global food prices... now, in North America a doubling of the cost of food means you gotta eat the dollar menu instead of the value meal... in other places around the world a doubling of the price of food is the difference between 'sustenance' and 'starvation'.

How many lives have been lost because of this?? I don't know... noone will study the numbers, that's irrelevant because now people's cars spew out a quarter tonne of less CO2 each year.

The bottom line of the 'global warming hysteria' is that it is a part of a genocidal agenda.

 

[bennyhill]

Before we talk about saving the world, we need to talk about changing our ecnomic system.

Capitalism has focused on "economic growth" as a way to achieve prospertity.
More, more, more causes damage to the environment and CO² into the air. Taking care of nature is expensive, which is something that all companies want to push off until a law is enacted.

In Europe there is an interesting discussion. Is it possible to create wealth without econmic growth? Yes it is. Basically they thry to make their products better without growing i.e. more employees, more office space etc. They earn more money because their smarter, but they dont grow as a company.

Nonprofit organizations would be a second example.

If we did this, then we wouldnt want to build the highest building, the largest dam, the biggest airplane, the fastest car etc. This would be good for the environment

 

[Z3n]

There's sort of this "modernization" problem.

We are supposed to become eco saavy and so are 3rd world countries, that aren't even industrialized yet? Do they skip the oil phase? :doh

 

[ScummyD]

What willl be after Copenhagen?

Well as I understand it circuses typically travel from city to city so I imagine this three ring show will make an appearance in another city at some point.

 

[Z3n]

Well as I understand it circuses typically travel from city to city so I imagine this three ring show will make an appearance in another city at some point.

Hmmm, well when theres no land that isnt underwater, tell me how fiscal conservatism works out.

Are people that against taxing polluters? C'mon...

 

[ScummyD]

Hmmm, well when theres no land that isnt underwater, tell me how fiscal conservatism works out.

Your paranoid delusions are amusing.

Are people that against taxing polluters? C'mon...

A master of the strawman, huh?

 

[Z3n]

Your paranoid delusions are amusing.


A master of the strawman, huh?

Scientific fact states that atmospheric Co2 emissions are increasing. Where's the green energy? Are you willing to take the chance in the name of market success?

lol strawman, theres not much of a logical fallacy there, dont pull that **** on me.

 

[ScummyD]

Where's the green energy? Are you willing to take the chance in the name of market success?

What are you talking about?

lol strawman, theres not much of a logical fallacy there, dont pull that **** on me.

Yes, indeed, there is a strawman there. Just because I don't agree with your position on the matter doesn't necessarily mean I'm against taxing polluters.

It's a akin to saying that those that disagree with Obama and the Democrats' insane bills and proposals on health care are against reforming the system. Just because we don't support their ideas doesn't necessarily mean we are against reform.

 

[Z3n]

What are you talking about?


Yes, indeed, there is a strawman there. Just because I don't agree with your position on the matter doesn't necessarily mean I'm against taxing polluters.

Question: Do you agree that polluters should be taxed
Response: No, I don't agree with taxing polluters.

BUT DONT YOU DARE SAY IM AGAINST TAXING POLLUTERS

 

[ScummyD]

Question: Do you agree that polluters should be taxed
Response: No, I don't agree with taxing polluters.

BUT DONT YOU DARE SAY IM AGAINST TAXING POLLUTERS

FACT: I never said I was against taxing polluters.

 

[Z3n]

FACT: I never said I was against taxing polluters.

FACT: your reluctancy to respond to the question implies that you are!

 

[tlmorg02]

Nothing will happen until the world is forced to do so. Hopefully it will not be too late.

 

[Z3n]

Nothing will happen until the world is forced to do so. Hopefully it will not be too late.

I agree

 

[BmanMcfly]

Nothing will happen until the world is forced to do so. Hopefully it will not be too late.

You do realize that the only 'solutions discussed are 'carbon cap and trade' or 'carbon taxes'. NEITHER OF WHICH is even a PROBLEM of the environment.

So, UNTIL environmentalists ACtuALLY start talking about REAL environmental issues, NOTHING productive CAN come out of it.

No, instead we're insistant on taxing LIFE ITSELF, which CANNOT exist without CO2. I mean EVERY claim coming out of the 'alarmist' camp has been shown to be somewhere between inaccurate, exaggerated, or blatant modification of raw data. Not the best place to start... or do you justify this thinking that 'well, when you're saving the world you're gonna have to lie to some people.'?

Will it be too late??