I'm sitting here lamenting a missed vacation this summer due to state and country restrictions. What do you think will be the timeline and outcome of the corona virus?
You cannot possibly know that the vast majority of people who contract COVID-19 suffer "no lasting effects." Enough time hasn't passed to determine that. Moreover, that does not discount the fact that a significant number of people do become severely ill, straining our medical resources, and many do die, particularly the elderly. As far as the 1918 pandemic, cities across the country shut down then too...The most likely outcome should reflect historical precedents.
The Spanish Flu swept through the US back in 1918. It, and other subsequent iterations of various influenza viruses, have been with us ever since.
Spanish flu: the killer that still stalks us, 100 years on | World news | The Guardian
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/09/01/1918-flu-pandemic-end/
So I expect the same to hold true for Covid-19. We will simply adapt to it.
The issue is IMO how many government restrictions should we as a general population (the VAST majority of whom suffer little or no lasting effects) be forced to submit to simply to protect those who are at risk?
The most likely outcome should reflect historical precedents.
The Spanish Flu swept through the US back in 1918. It, and other subsequent iterations of various influenza viruses, have been with us ever since.
Spanish flu: the killer that still stalks us, 100 years on | World news | The Guardian
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/09/01/1918-flu-pandemic-end/
So I expect the same to hold true for Covid-19. We will simply adapt to it.
The issue is IMO how many government restrictions should we as a general population (the VAST majority of whom suffer little or no lasting effects) be forced to submit to simply to protect those who are at risk?
You cannot possibly know that the vast majority of people who contract COVID-19 suffer "no lasting effects." Enough time hasn't passed to determine that. Moreover, that does not discount the fact that a significant number of people do become severely ill, straining our medical resources, and many do die, particularly the elderly. As far as the 1918 pandemic, cities across the country shut down then too...
And I read the articles you quoted - the articles aren't actually saying the 1918 flu virus is still with us. Their point is that descendants of that flu are with us, as over time the virus evolved into a less deadly flu strain. To your point though, we can hope that COVID-19 ends up behaving similarly, with the original strain falling away and becoming replaced with less deadly descendants. I'm not sure that will be the case, as COVID-19 seems to evolve more slowly than most other viruses. But that also means we have more time to develop a vaccine that works before the virus changes.
I think the general population should continue to value the lives of their neighbors over the inconveniences of wearing a mask and avoiding large crowds. Most places have already reopened to some degree, and it makes sense to do so as conditions improve. As long as people continue to practice social distancing, businesses can keep reopening and we can get back to something closer to normal. But restrictions are likely to be in place until a substantial percentage of the population has been vaccinated.
Unless the warmongers in the republican party and democrat party try to use this covid-19 to **** China or use this to suppress our rights I think things will return to normal shortly after the election. Right now this is being blown way the **** out of proportion to **** the economy.A sitting president doesn't do well in the polls when the economy goes to **** and the media overall is owned by a handful of people.
The most likely outcome should reflect historical precedents.
The Spanish Flu swept through the US back in 1918. It, and other subsequent iterations of various influenza viruses, have been with us ever since.
Spanish flu: the killer that still stalks us, 100 years on | World news | The Guardian
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/09/01/1918-flu-pandemic-end/
So I expect the same to hold true for Covid-19. We will simply adapt to it.
The issue is IMO how many government restrictions should we as a general population (the VAST majority of whom suffer little or no lasting effects) be forced to submit to simply to protect those who are at risk?
1. I can "possibly know" because the information provided shows it is so. Posted in various threads I've presented with CDC and other data, and threads other's have posted. MOST people under 65 (per case data to date) catch it and either suffer NO symptoms, or mild symptoms. MOST of those over 65 who've died so far (94%) had 2 or more co-morbidities which made them more susceptible. Then we have an average life-span of 76, and those who die that age and older may have already been "on the way out."
2. NO, I should not have MY freedoms limited simply because there might be some small chance someone, somewhere MIGHT suffer. We know now who the most at risk are, those over 65 AND typically with 2 or more pre-existing co-morbidities. So if I need to work or otherwise be in contact with the very elderly, then maybe PPE is called for. Otherwise? You do YOU, and I'll do ME. Your authoritarian suggestions are rejected.
majority have no long term effects? First we know that near 4% die...and from there up to 70% have long term damage to their lung tissue
What we know (so far) about the long-term health effects of Covid-19 | Advisory Board Daily Briefing
What we know (so far) about the long-term health effects of Covid-19 | Advisory Board Daily BriefingCurrently, it's estimated as few as 5% and as many as 80% of Covid-19-positive patients are asymptomatic or have mild cases of the illness that take days or weeks for symptoms to emerge—and many have no symptoms after two weeks, Parshley reports. A smaller percentage of patients have severe cases of Covid-19, which the World Health Organization estimates can take three to six weeks to fully recover from...Research shows some patients experience lung symptoms such as pain and a dry cough, weeks after recovering from the virus.
What we know (so far) about the long-term health effects of Covid-19 | Advisory Board Daily BriefingWhile it's too soon to tell whether the lung damage in Covid-19 patients will be permanent, research shows that about one third of survivors of similar coronaviruses such as SARS and MERS had long-term lung damage.
There will be a cure for Covid.There is no cure for liberalism.
1. You are citing a report that is months old. Yet even IT says:
What we know (so far) about the long-term health effects of Covid-19 | Advisory Board Daily Briefing
Yet our own CDC has been more specific when it comes to US Covid-19 cases. As reported elsewhere at the time of that recent report only 6% of Covid-19 cases had no other co-morbidities, i.e. clearly died solely due to Covid-19. Moreover, that the other 94% had an average of 2.6 co-morbidities. This is not even taking into account that the average life expectancy in the USA is 76 years old. The data also indicates over 90% of all deaths occur in those 55 and older and 83% are those 65 and older with the largest figures in those 70+ years of age.
2. That report does NOT say "up to 70% have long-term damages to their lung tissue." What it did say was:
What we know (so far) about the long-term health effects of Covid-19 | Advisory Board Daily Briefing
Don't editorialize your data.
So as I stated, the MAJORITY of cases in general neither die, nor suffer long term effects. Meanwhile, there is nothing in your evidence which declares "over 70%" will suffer long term lung damages.
Wow so you think the entire health profession and the media are all exaggerating this? Seriously?
so, do you think that months old reports mean that suddenly those long term disabilities, just disappeared?
What part of "it did not say what you claimed" did you fail to understand? :unsure13:
I'm sitting here lamenting a missed vacation this summer due to state and country restrictions. What do you think will be the timeline and outcome of the corona virus?
Around 270,000 people die each year of Sepsis.
Around 606,520 people die each year of cancer.
Around 99,000 people die each year of health care acquired infections each year.
Yes. Seeing how hospitals get paid from the government for Covid-19 deaths I seriously doubt all those deaths are actually the result of Covid-19.
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