What to do about the mass shootings in the US

[weaver2]

Yeah like how can that many Americans be unaware of how terrible legislators are at defining firearms.

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And we're back to denying there is a problem while simultaneously blaming the problem on the public because they don't define firearms according to manufacturers specifications.

The topic of this thread is "What do we do about mass shootings in the US?", not "What is the best way to make the public into a scapegoat for mass shootings?"

 

[OpportunityCost]

And we're back to denying there is a problem while simultaneously blaming the problem on the public because they don't define firearms according to manufacturers specifications.

The topic of this thread is "What do we do about mass shootings in the US?", not "What is the best way to make the public into a scapegoat for mass shootings?"

My point is why in the world should we have confidence in legislators since they totally dropped the ball the last time. I am not scapegoating anyone, legislators do not pass legislation that will help this issue.

Post 1175 for what we really need to be doing. If that comes with addressing their ability to obtain firearms, so be it, it should.

 

[vegas giants]

They didn't last time. Insanity is expecting a different outcome. Prevention should come from different tactics in identifying mental health issues and addressing them more proactively.

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That does not work with lax gun laws

 

[OpportunityCost]

That does not work with lax gun laws

The gun laws do not matter, shooting people is illegal, and that damn sure isn't stopping them. Tying the ability to block obtaining a firearm to questionable mental health issues may be the only way to address this.

 

[vegas giants]

The gun laws do not matter, shooting people is illegal, and that damn sure isn't stopping them. Tying the ability to block obtaining a firearm to questionable mental health issues may be the only way to address this.

Then tell me the large city or country with lax gun laws and low gun deaths thru a great mental health system.


What you want does not exist

 

[weaver2]

In terms of statisicts, 59% and 0% is a pretty big damn difference and if you quit trying to move the goalposts to act like your point was valid, I will leave it alone. But if you keep trying, i will keep rubbing your nose in it.

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Whoa there! Last time you said 39% of Americans wanted to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, now it's 59%? OMG! Are you LYING!!????? Are you MOVING THE GOAL POSTS???? OMG. Are you are BULL****TING your way out !!!!! .......... OMG,OMG

Here's a suggestion, read your posted article from the Washington Times. Find the place where it says:

"Fully 21 percent of Americans think the same way.(repealing the 2nd) That’s according to a poll taken back in February by the Economist/YouGov....... Only 8 percent of Republicans were on board with that. ....... And here’s the skinny: 39 percent of Democrats supported repeal."

I believe the article says 21% of all Americans, not 39% or 59% but 21% of all Americans support repeal and that breaks down into 39% Democrats for repeal and 8% of Republicans for repeal.

Am I wrong? Is a little self-flagellation appropriate here? LOL.

If the truth be told I suspect the 59% is just a typo and the "39% of Americans" instead of 39% of Democrats is a case of reading too quickly. You probably aren't a liar. But you might be just a bit less quick to call others liars. Hmmmmm?

 

[OpportunityCost]

Whoa there! Last time you said 39% of Americans wanted to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, now it's 59%? OMG! Are you LYING!!????? Are you MOVING THE GOAL POSTS???? OMG. Are you are BULL****TING your way out !!!!! .......... OMG,OMG

Here's a suggestion, read your posted article from the Washington Times. Find the place where it says:

"Fully 21 percent of Americans think the same way.(repealing the 2nd) That’s according to a poll taken back in February by the Economist/YouGov....... Only 8 percent of Republicans were on board with that. ....... And here’s the skinny: 39 percent of Democrats supported repeal."

I believe the article says 21% of all Americans, not 39% or 59% but 21% of all Americans support repeal and that breaks down into 39% Democrats for repeal and 8% of Republicans for repeal.

Am I wrong? Is a little self-flagellation appropriate here? LOL.

If the truth be told I suspect the 59% is just a typo and the "39% of Americans" instead of 39% of Democrats is a case of reading too quickly. You probably aren't a liar. But you might be just a bit less quick to call others liars. Hmmmmm?

Lol you are sad. Yes, typo. Besides, I didn't state all Americans, 39% of Democrats, which means you actually read the link. Good deal.

Don't imply anyone on the board is a liar. Check the rules.

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[OpportunityCost]

Then tell me the large city or country with lax gun laws and low gun deaths thru a great mental health system.


What you want does not exist

Not yet. That's why we need better legislation, not the same legislation that has proven not to work.

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[vegas giants]

Not yet. That's why we need better legislation, not the same legislation that has proven not to work.

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Give me the details of your plan

If it an be done....it has been tried somewhere

 

[mrdeltoid]

For the last few years it has largely been a domestic radical right wing problem. I know of very incidents with American leftists committing these mass murders.

Solution? We need a society where guns are vilified and hated and very very rare despite being legal. No other way around it. We have to drastically reduce the number of firearms in this country and greatly restrict their use.

Nothing else will be as effective.

I'm guessing you mean"very few".
Nidal Malik Hassan
Seugn-Hui Cho
James Egan Holmes
Adam Lanza
These were pretty bad shootings. Lefties all. Oh yeah, Conner Betts.

 

[haymarket]

They didn't last time. Insanity is expecting a different outcome. Prevention should come from different tactics in identifying mental health issues and addressing them more proactively.

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When was this "last time" ?

Mental health is important. What do we do about a President in the White House who is clearly mentally ill and seems be supported by mentally ill people who enable him and constantly look the other way?

 

[haymarket]

I'm guessing you mean"very few".
Nidal Malik Hassan
Seugn-Hui Cho
James Egan Holmes
Adam Lanza
These were pretty bad shootings. Lefties all. Oh yeah, Conner Betts.

Yes, VERY FEW is what I meant. And the list of people on the left that do this is indeed small as you posted.

I notice you provided a list and then failed to provide any verifiably substantiation that the people on it were indeed leftists and killed as a result of their politics. Do you have that?

 

[weaver2]

Lol you are sad. Yes, typo. Besides, I didn't state all Americans, 39% of Democrats, which means you actually read the link. Good deal.

Don't imply anyone on the board is a liar. Check the rules.

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You're right you said 39% of Democrats, not Americans want the 2nd repealed.

However:

In terms of statisicts, 59% and 0% is a pretty big damn difference and if you quit trying to move the goalposts to act like your point was valid, I will leave it alone. But if you keep trying, i will keep rubbing your nose in it.("rubbing your nose in it". "It" being a "pretty damn difference" = a lie)

and

Which is a bit more than "nobody". Admit you were wrong and quit dissembling.(dissemble: verb. conceal one's true motives, feelings, or beliefs. Syn. deceive, feign, act, masquerade, sham, fake, be dishonest, lie)

are close enough to saying the poster is not telling the truth that it's fair to say you have "implied"

 

[mrdeltoid]

We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.

I'm new to the thread so I apologize if I'm repeating another poster. I would suggest something we haven't already tried. There's a common theme, that "gun free zones" are often chosen as they are soft targets. We hear of victims like the Gym teacher that shielded kids in the Parkland shooting, or the husband and wife that shielded their kids, or the people at the Annapolis Post Gazette, that had to just sit by and wait their turn to be killed. What if those victims, were armed, or someone with them was. If they lived through it, do you think, given the opportunity, they would've left the house armed that day? El Paso and Dayton shooters were stopped when the first gun arrived. Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. What if the local police dept. encouraged citizens that were law abiding, and chose to arm themselves, to take gun safety and proficiency class, and get CCW permits. I mean TV and radio campaigns encouraging as many citizens as possible to get into the habit of being armed when in public. Make these places of large gatherings hard targets. I know there will be people that will be panicking and wringing their hands, and crying OMG! the "wild west" blood baths, the OK corral etc. They did that when many states went to the shall issue policy, where if you chose, and are law abiding, you apply and SHALL be issued a CCW permit. Over 30 states do that. The "Wild West" scenario didn't happen. Just a thought.

 

[OpportunityCost]

When was this "last time" ?

Mental health is important. What do we do about a President in the White House who is clearly mentally ill and seems be supported by mentally ill people who enable him and constantly look the other way?

There was an assault weapons ban before.

 

[OpportunityCost]

You're right you said 39% of Democrats, not Americans want the 2nd repealed.

However:

and


are close enough to saying the poster is not telling the truth that it's fair to say you have "implied"

Now, you are picking nits. All because your point was proven incorrect and by more than a bit. My point remains correct, yours remains wrong. Why don't you quit arguing an admitted error, even with it, you remain wrong.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Give me the details of your plan

If it an be done....it has been tried somewhere

Lordy, what a joke. You and I both know that Congress will agree on less than perfect legislation and it wont resemble anything I propose. Second, do you think I draft legislation?

 

[weaver2]

Now, you are picking nits. All because your point was proven incorrect and by more than a bit. My point remains correct, yours remains wrong. Why don't you quit arguing an admitted error, even with it, you remain wrong.

Arguing? How much more clearly or how many more times do you need "You were right" to be said?. Noticing that someone's implying that one is a liar isn't nitpicking.

 

[vegas giants]

Lordy, what a joke. You and I both know that Congress will agree on less than perfect legislation and it wont resemble anything I propose. Second, do you think I draft legislation?

Ok it's fine if you have no plan


Stand aside while others discuss their plans

 

[haymarket]

There was an assault weapons ban before.

So what do you mean by this?

Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
They didn't last time.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Ok it's fine if you have no plan


Stand aside while others discuss their plans

Your plan is to ban everything. Good luck with that utter stupidity.

 

[OpportunityCost]

So what do you mean by this?

The assault weapon ban had no impact on mass shootings. Why are you suddenly being pedantic about what I mean when its pretty clear what I mean.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Arguing? How much more clearly or how many more times do you need "You were right" to be said?. Noticing that someone's implying that one is a liar isn't nitpicking.

I didn't imply you were a liar, I implied you were wrong and were continuing to try to slip that argument by as being correct when it was not. And you still keep trying by shifting context, goalposts, etc.

If you truly think I implied you were a liar you should report that post, but I don't think you are able to find me asserting that.

 

[TurtleDude]

My point is why in the world should we have confidence in legislators since they totally dropped the ball the last time. I am not scapegoating anyone, legislators do not pass legislation that will help this issue.

Post 1175 for what we really need to be doing. If that comes with addressing their ability to obtain firearms, so be it, it should.

what will happen if democrat scumbags try to ban stuff they cannot properly define?

There is only one thing I can guarantee

They will manage to cause at least 5 million more of those guns to be sold along with at least 50 million more normal capacity magazines. Lots of Gun owners are stocking up on normal capacity magazines now, because we don't want to get hit with the price increases that the last scumbag passed law caused. And magazine makers are starting to Ramp up production. When the Clinton BS was passed, one magazine maker went to three shifts24/7 during the few weeks between passage of the law and it going into effect. They sold more magazines that month than they had the year before.

and the more of these guns are sold, the harder the scumbag side can avoid the Heller standard-IN COMMON USE.

 

[MSgt]

what will happen if democrat scumbags try to ban stuff they cannot properly define?

There is only one thing I can guarantee

They will manage to cause at least 5 million more of those guns to be sold along with at least 50 million more normal capacity magazines. Lots of Gun owners are stocking up on normal capacity magazines now, because we don't want to get hit with the price increases that the last scumbag passed law caused. And magazine makers are starting to Ramp up production. When the Clinton BS was passed, one magazine maker went to three shifts24/7 during the few weeks between passage of the law and it going into effect. They sold more magazines that month than they had the year before.

and the more of these guns are sold, the harder the scumbag side can avoid the Heller standard-IN COMMON USE.

It's always funny to me how people like you, who have done not a damn thing to protect or fight for his country from an actual enemy, can recite the technical ins-and-outs of political nonsense to justify his pathetic ideas of patriotism...just to defend the fact that his toys (guns) aren't just a simple hobby.

The only thing that you can really guarantee is that you have a Right that you didn't have **** to do with earning. Feel free to abuse, while calling it the Founders intention.