What to do about the mass shootings in the US

[noonereal]

What to do about the mass shootings in the US

Shoot back.

That or deport all Trumpets.

 

[weaver2]

You just told a whopper of a lie. When you tell a lie of that proportion, I write off everything else you say.

once again, less than two percent of all murders involve rifles and shotguns. And "scary looking assault weapons" are even less than 2%.

you aren't even right if you claim you were talking about mass shootings. Even among the best known ones, Ft Hood, Luby's of Texas, VT, Giffords Shooting, etc did not involve semi auto rifles. THE DAYTON SHOOTER USED A PISTOL

You are right as written my statement "But 95% of the all murders are done by people using imitation military weapons like the one pictured." is very definitely wrong. I didn't proof read carefully. My statement based on your claim that only 2% of murders are done with rifles should have read

But in 95% of that 2% the rifles used are the imitation military weapons like the one pictured.


Further research US Mass Shootings, 1982-2019: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones indicates that in 33% of mass shootings back to 2016 the weapon used was an imitation military semi-automatic rifle. 24% of mass shootings in that time frame the weapon used was a semi-automatic hand gun. 27% of mass shootings were done with a hand gun, 13% of the shootings were done with a shot gun and in 3% each the weapon was a long rifle or a revolver.

It looks like the imitation military semi-automatic rifle is actually the chosen weapon quite often

 

[TurtleDude]

You are right as written my statement "But 95% of the all murders are done by people using imitation military weapons like the one pictured." is very definitely wrong. I didn't proof read carefully. My statement based on your claim that only 2% of murders are done with rifles should have read

But in 95% of that 2% the rifles used are the imitation military weapons like the one pictured.


Further research US Mass Shootings, 1982-2019: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones indicates that in 33% of mass shootings back to 2016 the weapon used was an imitation military semi-automatic rifle. 24% of mass shootings in that time frame the weapon used was a semi-automatic hand gun. 27% of mass shootings used a hand gun, 13% of the shootings were done with a shot gun and in 3% each of the shootings a long rifle or a revolver were used.

It looks like the imitation military semi-automatic rifle is actually the chosen weapon quite often

That again is bs but I give you credit for your admission. Many of the 22 rifles are "imitation" military rifles" and some semi auto rifles are not imitations of any military rifles but have the same capabilities. The Kel-Tech 223 rifles and the Beretta 9mm Carbines don't look anything like any military rifles.

I am leery of anything mother jones publishes btw. and again the issue is so what/ Less than 2% of all murders involve ALL long arms. So why are the bannerrhoids targeting these weapons

 

[TurtleDude]

MOther Jones has many errors-the Dayton shooter did not use a semi auto RIFLE.

 

[vegas giants]

Shoot back.

That or deport all Trumpets.

I guess el Paso did not get the memo

 

[weaver2]

MOther Jones has many errors-the Dayton shooter did not use a semi auto RIFLE.

Probably not as many errors as you think.

 

[weaver2]

There are nearly 400 million civilian owned firearms in the US. In 2018, 154 were used in so call mass shootings. That is not even one in a million. That is about one in 3 million. Your odds of getting struck by lightning is 1 in 700,000. That means you are four times more likely to be struck by lightning than being involved in a mass shooting. Yet the Democrat politicians have all their lemming in a snit. They are all so scared. They see a white supremacist waiting to shoot them behind every tree. This is why no intelligent person takes them serious.

In order for your comparison to be valid everybody experiencing an electrical storm would have to be standing outside unprotected just as victims in a mass shooting are out in public unprotected. Nobody stands outside during a thunder storm. There is plenty of warning and time to seek shelter. No such warning exist in mass shootings. A better comparison is the chance of surviving something sudden, unpredictable and violent like a direct hit by a landslide or a 7.1 earth quake.

SanFrancisco earthquake 7.1 on the Richter scale 3000 died.

 

[BahamaBob]

In order for your comparison to be valid everybody experiencing an electrical storm would have to be standing outside unprotected just as victims in a mass shooting are out in public unprotected. Nobody stands outside during a thunder storm. There is plenty of warning and time to seek shelter. No such warning exist in mass shootings. A better comparison is the chance of surviving something sudden, unpredictable and violent like a direct hit by a landslide or a 7.1 earth quake.

View attachment 67261541 SanFrancisco earthquake 7.1 on the Richter scale 3000 died.

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If so, how come 4 times as many people get hit by lightning?

 

[BahamaBob]

I think the whole country is taking this mass shootings epidemic seriously

Only when it is politically expedient. I saw little about the mass shootings in Chicago over the weekend, on almost every weekend. Only when the pols can stir up the weak minded does it get any notice.

 

[vegas giants]

Only when it is politically expedient. I saw little about the mass shootings in Chicago over the weekend, on almost every weekend. Only when the pols can stir up the weak minded does it get any notice.

Yes the weak minded are a problem. But these ammosexuals are starting to get the message

 

[akyron]

1. You do know that almost all schools already say the Pledge every morning?
2. Why the Lord's Prayer? Why not the Buddhist prayer for enlightenment? That would seem more appropriate for a school, don't you think? Oh, you want only your prayers. Isn’t that a bit bigoted?
3. And yes!! Let's put the original writings back into schools that the conservatives took out because original writings didn't support their theocratic demand that the US was officially a Christian nation run exclusivey for and by conservative white Christian males . How about starting the original readings with Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Baptist Church in Boston.LOL
4. We had forced prayer and/or bible readings up to the mid 60s. That didn't prevent several wars with massive death tolls, the atomic bomb deaths, Black lynching that killed 100s, the brutal segregation and discrimination that led to the race riots of the 40s 50s and 60s killing hundreds of Blacks, the assessinations of JFK, MLK, and RFK and those killed in the Civil Rights riots.
5. Bible readings and prayers do not prevent chaos and killings. If they did, then most of today's mass shooters wouldn't be white Christian conservative males.

As long as you stop lying, killing, and stealing....Lets look to a progressive liberal democrat hero for the answer....





You appear to be deeply confusing evangelicals with conservatives.

You are correct in that democrats desperately fought all the above then and now.

"The Modern Civil Rights Era

 

[weaver2]

MOther Jones has many errors-the Dayton shooter did not use a semi auto RIFLE.

The Daytona shooter used .223-caliber high-capacity rifle with 100-round drum magazines. You can call it what ever technical term you want that's what the Daytona police said it was. The gun magazines advertised it as "an orchestra of metal and fire"


This discussion is not about the technicalities of weapons on the market. It is not about parsing categories. Nor is it about the stupidity of people who don't know the minute differences between categories.

It's about the weapons people are buying and how they are perceived. And they are not perceived as hunting or varmint rifles or target rifles. They look like military weapons used to kill people and they are used to destroy appliances on gun club ranged and in 33% of the mass shootings.

Now you can debate what they are called, give technical names to different categories. You can claim they are used mostly for competitive shooting and hunting. But you cannot claim that the public doesn't perceive these weapons as anything other than what they were designed to look like..... weapons that kill people

And as long as the gun manufacturers and the NRA pander to those that want to play at macho war-like activities and keep promoting the "tactical" aspect gun owners have a problem. Again, you can claim there isn't problem that the public is just a bunch of weenies but it's called public opinion because that is what the public thinks. And as long as people think gun owners and the NRA are promoting people killing weapons we gun owners have a big problem.

 

[JMR]

Why don't you start with yourself?

Interesting response to a serious statement. I do not recall any past interaction with you, but a look back on this thread shows you like your one liners. Have fun!!

 

[weaver2]

As long as you stop lying, killing, and stealing....Lets look to a progressive liberal democrat hero for the answer....



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You appear to be deeply confusing evangelicals with conservatives.

You are correct in that democrats desperately fought all the above then and now.

"The Modern Civil Rights Era

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????? and your point is?????

 

[MorrisDay]

The sad thing is you dont realize you can do both and that gun control costs very very little

Nothing the Government does costs very little. I've worked for them for 40 years so I know. Nevertheless, I would pay more for a solution to the problem of what makes people want to kill people. It's a multi-faceted problem and not all mass killings are politically motivated.

 

[MorrisDay]

find ONE POST OF MINE where I have defended Mass shootings. You are lying. You are posting the bogus argument that if we don't support bannerrhoid schemes concerning guns-that means we are DEFENDING mass shootings. That is as idiotic as claiming if someone doesn't condemn homosexuality as a "Sin", they are defending irresponsible unprotected sex by those who spread AIDS.

Not you, but I've heard some nut case lib/dem politicians blame the President for the latest mass killings.

 

[MorrisDay]

I think the whole country is taking this mass shootings epidemic seriously

Bombings are a problem too.

 

[vegas giants]

Bombings are a problem too.

In the US?


Are you kidding?

 

[vegas giants]

Nothing the Government does costs very little. I've worked for them for 40 years so I know. Nevertheless, I would pay more for a solution to the problem of what makes people want to kill people. It's a multi-faceted problem and not all mass killings are politically motivated.

Your plan does not work anywhere on earth

 

[HumblePi]

Bombings are a problem too.

When was the last bombing in the US? I haven't heard that bombings are a problem here.

 

[MorrisDay]

In the US?


Are you kidding?

No, Around the world and in OK City in 1993, NYC, Boston, Weather Underground - look them up, Obama was friendly with them.

 

[vegas giants]

No, Around the world and in OK City in 1993, NYC, Boston, Weather Underground - look them up, Obama was friendly with them.

Ok you are kidding.


Good. I get jokes

 

[MorrisDay]

Your plan does not work anywhere on earth

I don't have a plan because I don't understand the problem of what makes people (many of the young people) want to do mass killings. Confiscating hundreds of millions of guns from millions of law abiding citizens doesn't seem like a workable solution to me. I'm ok with keeping them from criminals and nuts (but how do you id a nut?)

 

[weaver2]

As long as you stop lying, killing, and stealing....Lets look to a progressive liberal democrat hero for the answer....

You appear to be deeply confusing evangelicals with conservatives.

You are correct in that democrats desperately fought all the above then and now.

I think I can help you with the points you are trying to get across.

You think that because Hillary Clinton lied that make all Democrats liars and completely absolves Republicans from having to deal with Trump's lies. In fact Hillary's lies actually gives Trump carte blanche to lie at will.

You think because conservatives have for unknown and unfair reasons gotten a bad reputation that it's best to disconnect yourself and your religion from conservatives by saying people confuse the two. They don't. All Evangelicals are conservative. The tenets of your religion were set forth by John Calvin in the 16th century AD. " The state exists to keep order by enforcing the laws of God’s church" John Calvin 1538. And todays mission statement from the National Association of Evangelicals is: “Evangelicals believe that government is a gift from God for the common good. Good governance creates the conditions in which human beings fulfill their responsibilities as God’s image bearers and as stewards of God’s creation.” Trust me everybody know that Evangelicals are conservatives.

And yes, we all know you're angry that the Constitution doesn't allow you to force kids to pray Christian prayers, whether they were Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu or didn't care for religion.

I'm guessing that the point of posting your cute little 10 suggestions for living a good life are meant to show that the 10 Commandments are innocent of all religious meaning and posting them publicly will end mass shootings, drugs, sex, divisiveness, homosexuals wanting blasphemous wedding cakes and we will all live the lives the Evangelical God and Calvin meant for us to live whether we like it or not. Ya gotta love those punitive, patriarchal religions, they try hard.


Now about civil rights, I think you are tying to say that that Trump isn't nearly as bad as those evil Southern Democrats that fought against civil rights for Blacks so his covert and overt racism is perfectly OK. News flash. It isn't. The President of the United States is the moral and intellectual leader of the country and being a racist is not OK.

So there you are. You're trying to ooze out of any responsibility for your party's divisiveness, inaction, racism, lying and cohesive religion by sliming the Democrats. Did I help? You're welcome.

 

[vegas giants]

I don't have a plan because I don't understand the problem of what makes people (many of the young people) want to do mass killings. Confiscating hundreds of millions of guns from millions of law abiding citizens doesn't seem like a workable solution to me. I'm ok with keeping them from criminals and nuts (but how do you id a nut?)

Then dont confiscate them.


Gun control does not equal gun ban