What to do about the mass shootings in the US

[haymarket]

Yeah, I realize that, but how much have we spent on interdiction, treatment, locking up users, dealers? Hundreds of billions of dollars? And what do we have to show for it? 70,000 dead people a year? Destroyed lives, families, lost production? It may not be officially be called one, but this is a war, and we're losing it.

Please understand - I am not trying to apologize for or justify past drug policy. All I am saying is we never really had a true war on drugs.

 

[haymarket]

You can't enact a law that is illegal.

What proposal would be illegal?

 

[Beowulf]

What proposal would be illegal?

Any legislation that is in violation of the constitution is illegal.

 

[haymarket]

Any legislation that is in violation of the constitution is illegal.

and in other fast breaking world shattering news - the sun sets tonight in the west ..... :doh:roll:

DUH.

Lets try again for the learning impaired shall we? What specific proposal regarding guns would be illegal in the USA?

 

[SMTA]

Sure it can, but will it? We have the power within us to stop this carnage. How many more have to die before we admit it?

That had been said many times before, and no change.

 

[Beowulf]

and in other fast breaking world shattering news - the sun sets tonight in the west ..... :doh:roll:

DUH.

Lets try again for the learning impaired shall we? What specific proposal regarding guns would be illegal in the USA?

Are you talking about the federal government?

 

[SMTA]

I have an education, probably more than you have, enough to be able to understand plain English. I'm also pretty good at recognizing BS when I hear it.

What a post of lies and bull****.

 

[it's just me]

:lol:

WOW!!! You both insulted me who you do not even know and patted yourself on the back at the same time. Amazing accomplishment!!!

I learned it from you.

 

[haymarket]

Are you talking about the federal government?

Any level of government .

 

[haymarket]

I learned it from you.

I never taught you anything and don't even know anything about you. Take responsibility for your own actions.

 

[Masterhawk]

The two cities in the US with the worst violent crime rate is:
Detroit with 2,137 violent crimes per 100,000 people
St. Louis with 1,857 violent crimes per 100,000 people

But Baltimore is still up there.

 

[NWRatCon]

But Baltimore is still up there.

And WTF does that have to do with the topic? Sheesh.

 

[jet57]

You mean like in New Zealand? They live on an island and they've only collected a relative handful of contraband weapons from owners. It seems the citizens of New Zealand are in no rush to disarm themselves. Why would it be different here, where millions of rifles are capable of semi-automatic fire? There are also millions of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. And someone is always one step ahead of the politicians, who have a limited understanding of the mechanics behind firearms.

And they've not had any mass shootings with ARs have they.

 

[marke]

correction: to keep and bear arms. No right exists to own any particular gun or weapon, That decision is up to the government of the people.

The same people who elected Trump will depend on Trump fighting dummass efforts to strip Americans of their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms (guns.)

 

[jet57]

My rights aren’t predicated on your fear.

As I said before, there are millions of us with millions of guns and trillions of rounds of ammunition — if we were the problem you’d know.

Smart people don’t allow governments to disarm them. FYI.

As a matter of fact, I’m going to go buy two more today.

My rights aren't predicated on how some troll with a gun is feeling that day either. A no tolerance ban is the smartest thing we can do right now and your rights go unharmed.

 

[NWRatCon]

Op-Ed: We have studied every mass shooting since 1966. Here’s what we’ve learned about the shooters (via LA Times).

Our goal has been to find new, data-driven pathways for preventing such shootings. Although we haven’t found that mass shooters are all alike, our data do reveal four commonalities among the perpetrators of nearly all the mass shootings we studied.
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First, the vast majority of mass shooters in our study experienced early childhood trauma and exposure to violence at a young age.
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Second, practically every mass shooter we studied had reached an identifiable crisis point in the weeks or months leading up to the shooting.
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Third, most of the shooters had studied the actions of other shooters and sought validation for their motives.
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Fourth, the shooters all had the means to carry out their plans. Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunity stand in the way of another mass shooting. Is an appropriate shooting site accessible? Can the would-be shooter obtain firearms? In 80% of school shootings, perpetrators got their weapons from family members, according to our data. Workplace shooters tended to use handguns they legally owned. Other public shooters were more likely to acquire them illegally.

 

[jet57]

I know about the term going postal. You do understand the technology behind semi-automatic rifles has been around over a 100 years. There is no functional difference between the semi-automatic rifles of my childhood and that of the ones available today. This idea that these guns magically became more dangerous in the last 20 years or so and is causing the rise in frequency of mass shootings is rather preposterous. Society has lost its collective mind, part of the problem is the media. Many of the shooters are seeking out recognition and fame and our news media gives them all they could ask for as the media slogan is typically if it bleeds, it leads. One of the first steps we can do to reduce such shooting is to publicize less information about them in order to prevent copycats.

This "technology" nonsense has seen it's day and has zero to do with this.

 

[marke]

We have no government with communists. This is pure extremist fantasy on your part and completely counter productive to any rational discussion as it dwells in pure delusion.

Brennan is a communist who worked in the campaign of a communist candidate for president one time. Don't fool yourself, there are communists, Marxists, hedonists, atheists, humanists and assorted anti-American antagonists aplenty in the US.

 

[jet57]

Do what we can, at least martyrs save us the costs of court trials, incarceration, and appeals.

A rather silly statement.

 

[jet57]

I posted the data and you are in denial, not me.

Your data has nothing to do with this. Your data changes every time someone picks up a modern assault weapon and kills 20 or more people with it.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.

The only solution to the problem is for people around these mentally ill people take action and responsibility before the shooting.

I had to take a gun away from my father. He had dementia. When I went to visit him after several years I was told he no longer could drive by himself because he could get lost. When I wouldn't let him go to the barber by himself in the car he threatened to load his gun and start shooting people if we kept treating him like a child. I talked to my step brother about the threat and he said He threatened him on several occasions. I asked does he still have a gun. They said yes. I couldn't believe it. This is where someone in the family needed to take his threat serious and remove the gun. I did exactly that. After years he still does not know that the gun is missing. He still is threating to use it. But like a child he no longer has access to one. He may never have really meant what he was saying but he is also mentally ill. What is ridiculous is that everyone around him every day did not take the threat serious. This is what has to stop.

Taking guns away from the law abiding citizen is not going to solve anything.

 

[jet57]

What's to get? Lawless thugs get their hands on illegal guns and kill people with them. Can we stop them from doing that? Not by making them register their guns before they go out and kill, especially if they got the guns illegally in the first place.

I never suggested registration, so let's stick with a ban on assault weapons and 30 round clips.

 

[Integrityrespec]

We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.

If the left was reasonable I think the right would make concessions but not with a crazy left who knows no boundaries. Most folks I know would be ok with some limits on some types of firearms and some "add on" options. Until the left recognizes the right to bear arms and concealed carry and the right to self protection its a bust. Also the right gets tired of being blamed for all the gun problems when we know the massive numbers of gun crimes are in fact committed by black american. Reasonable folks could solve these problems but the politicians in this country are anything but reasonable.

 

[jet57]

That's not denial it's just pure statistics. the fact is that more gun deaths occur in the United States due to pistols and not with rifles. These mass shootings get more coverage because the victims are innocent bystanders rather than other criminals and gang members which are usually the victims of handgun shootings. No one cares about criminals and gang members shooting each other in the hood but it's a huge tragedy when innocent people are gunned down right?


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People are going to die every day from all kinds of stuff. Right now we're talking about mass shootings with assault weapons.

 

[marke]

I never suggested registration, so let's stick with a ban on assault weapons and 30 round clips.

No. That needs more discussion. We cannot accept ideas which are not fully debated just because our favorite politicians want us to.