What to do about the mass shootings in the US

[SheWolf]

There are many motivations, but if you look closely almost all of them are suicidal, choosing a different means of suicide that involves victims as well. When it comes down to it in many cases those who are suicidal are just hoping that someone will care about them. When family life is scarce and society is too busy with themselves to care about others, many who are suicidal who could have been saved end up not being saved, and some end up going down extreme paths, like choosing to take others with them in a mass shooting or doing the same while backing some extreme ideology just so they could feel they had a place to fit in.

Family is not just your mother and father and immediate children, there should be aunts uncles grandparents great grandparents cousins etc looking out for you, as well as your friends, when society stops having a tight bond of looking after their own, it falls apart as it moves towards selfishness and the prospect of me myself and I rather than the idea of friends family and mutual respect.

While I agree with what you're saying, I don't think it's the entire answer either. The Sandy Hook shooters mother loved him a lot. Yes, he had mental health issues but he had family support. I also think Randy Stair had a good family life, but he acted like he hated his family.

 

[Daisy]

While I agree with what you're saying, I don't think it's the entire answer either. The Sandy Hook shooters mother loved him a lot. Yes, he had mental health issues but he had family support. I also think Randy Stair had a good family life, but he acted like he hated his family.

Those with mental health issues seem to turn on those closest to them for some reason...

 

[Mach]

I didnt say shoot first. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

Who claimed you did?

 

[HumblePi]

For how long?

The creator of Sex and the City recently gave an interview where she said that she traded having children for a great career, and she now regrets it. Like I said, Hollywood and the media glamorize immediate gratification, short term fun at the expense of the future.

We all make our choices and have to live with them for better or worse.

 

[beerftw]

While I agree with what you're saying, I don't think it's the entire answer either. The Sandy Hook shooters mother loved him a lot. Yes, he had mental health issues but he had family support. I also think Randy Stair had a good family life, but he acted like he hated his family.

How extensive though were the family ties? Was it just her? did she ever have any intervention, what about his father, his grandfather his grandmother his aunts or uncles or his cousins? The family unit of tradition extends beyond just two parents, it extends across multiple generational lines and descendants, leaving a highly integrated support system lacking in america.

 

[Vadinho]

The answer is easy, just look at how other nations avoid these massacres.

 

[chuckiechan]

We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.

Mental health services have been pretty well gutted in the USA since the ‘60’s “Great Society” sucked the money put of “invisible “ programs such as mental health.

 

[HumblePi]

Maybe take some lessons from Japan.

Japan has some of the world’s most restrictive gun laws, which were enacted after World War II. Almost no residents in Japan own guns. The few guns that are allowed include shotguns and guns used for competitions, research, or in industries. To own a gun there is a lengthy process of background checks, drug and mental tests, as well as formal instruction. Advocates for gun control often quote Japan’s low gun-homicide rates, which is one in 10 million, as one of the lowest in the world. The few civilians that manage to own guns are required to tell authorities how the weapon will be used and how ammunition is stored. The Japanese National Police Agency strictly regulates gun licensing.

 

[haymarket]

Do you mean banning the possession of guns? Is that what you're saying the state should do?

Nope. Gun ownership is a constitutional right. But we as a society must get to the point where the gun owner is treated as a wonder leper much like a smoker. It is legal to smoke. You can but it legally. And it has a huge social stigma attached.

That is what must happen with guns.

 

[Outlook]

Well, if you really wanna know, I think Jehovah's kingdom is the only solution...

Why not immediately send the shooter to hell.

 

[Mach]

What, exactly, did you have in mind as the 'proper' form of intervention? If a person already has the "everybody is against me" mindset (is at the tipping point?) then suggesting that they seek mental health help may be the straw which tips them over the edge.

Who said anything about proper? I simply pointed I that I said I would do something...intervene. You jumped to "have them committed". That's certainly an option as you point out, but it's not the only option, is the point. Intervention can be any number of things. Confronting them, having their family/friends confront them, meet with family/friends to discuss the issue and potentially options, if serious notify the authorities, if even more serious, potentially the FBI, if it's someone who shouldn't have a firearm, inform LE or their parents (if a a minor), etc. People have interventions all the time on drug abuse, and they don't need to have them committed to do it. The idea that we should "do nothing", just "let it happen", is fatalist, victim, pessimistic nonsense IMO.

 

[beerftw]

Maybe take some lessons from Japan.

Japan has some of the world’s most restrictive gun laws, which were enacted after World War II. Almost no residents in Japan own guns. The few guns that are allowed include shotguns and guns used for competitions, research, or in industries. To own a gun there is a lengthy process of background checks, drug and mental tests, as well as formal instruction. Advocates for gun control often quote Japan’s low gun-homicide rates, which is one in 10 million, as one of the lowest in the world. The few civilians that manage to own guns are required to tell authorities how the weapon will be used and how ammunition is stored. The Japanese National Police Agency strictly regulates gun licensing.

Japan though has had mass knife attacks as well as mass killings by chemical weapons. Japan is not the best example unless you consider mass killings ok as long as they are not done with guns.

 

[Beowulf]

Nope. Gun ownership is a constitutional right. But we as a society must get to the point where the gun owner is treated as a wonder leper much like a smoker. It is legal to smoke. You can but it legally. And it has a huge social stigma attached.

That is what must happen with guns.

That seems very hurtful to our police officers and military personnel.

 

[Mach]

Why not immediately send the shooter to hell.

Why not prevent the shooting. What kind of god are you folks worshiping?

 

[haymarket]

How will you reduce firearms?
Take away guns from people that illegally own them. What about all the illegal guns on the street? Over 60% of shootings are committed by illegal guns.

You make guns like the modern cigarette. You creat a class of modern lepers who are looked down upon and shunned and despised.

 

[Outlook]

By finding and destroying them. That's my first guess, do I get a prize?

Would that be house to house search Gestapo style?

 

[SheWolf]

How extensive though were the family ties? Was it just her? did she ever have any intervention, what about his father, his grandfather his grandmother his aunts or uncles or his cousins? The family unit of tradition extends beyond just two parents, it extends across multiple generational lines and descendants, leaving a highly integrated support system lacking in america.

All I am trying to say, is I think having a good family isn't the only solution especially with serious mental health. Randy Stair, I think, had a double life, and his family probably didn't understand how bad he really was. Mental illness can be hard to see.

 

[haymarket]

Going to war against the government, more like wanting a civil war. The white supremacists have been waiting on a race war forever. I don’t see conservatives going to war against the government or a race war. As for a civil war fantasy, that’s more dangerous. That’s fantasizing and being ready to kill other Americans

It is a symptom of mental illness.

 

[HumblePi]

Japan though has had mass knife attacks as well as mass killings by chemical weapons. Japan is not the best example unless you consider mass killings ok as long as they are not done with guns.

No, actually Japan is the best example. One gun homocide in 10 million? Really....

 

[haymarket]

You couldn’t be more wrong. People will always find a way to kill, we should be looking at why they are killing.

Unless you want to look forward to these headlines

Japan knife attack: At least 19 dead - CNN

I will trade the murder rate of Japan for ours in an eye blink.

 

[Outlook]

You make guns like the modern cigarette. You creat a class of modern lepers who are looked down upon and shunned and despised.

Really? LOL

 

[Outlook]

Why not prevent the shooting. What kind of god are you folks worshiping?

Oh yea, just that simply, prevent the shooting.

 

[Josie]

One problem is that we don't know who is "violently mentally ill" until he or she takes violent action.

I think most people like this show it in some other way before they act out violently. They either are drawing pictures, writing stories, journal/diary entries, social media posts, conversations that show there is something very, very wrong.

For example, I had a student who was (and still is) clearly mentally ill with extremely violent thoughts. She would scream "I'm going to shoot this school up!" or "I'm going to stab you in the heart" or "I'm going to blow everyone here up" when she was in one of her rages. All of us who know her (including her classmates) are terrified of what she might do someday. We all know. People who knew Adam Lanza and Nikolaus Cruz knew too. It's just that we live in a society where we coddle them, we think that if we just love them more or give them therapy or let them get their aggression out in some other way that it will "cure" them. For some, that might work. For others, they're going to grow up and hurt people.

 

[Beowulf]

Oh yea, just that simply, prevent the shooting.

We should make shooting people illegal.

 

[Daisy]

Why not immediately send the shooter to hell.

I don't desire to take anyone's life...