You miss my point. If it were harder to get the stuff onto the plane, those cases would not have happened. The more technology can show these materials, the safer we'll be. Respectful pat downs, scanners, searches, whatever. If I live through the flight, I'm happy.
So, your right not to be searched 'unreasonably' is greater than my right not to be killed by the bomb you bring onto the plane... got it.
Kind of negates the 4th amendment argument.
The Volokh Conspiracy » Do New High-Tech Scans at the Airport Violate the Fourth Amendment?
Oh god get a grip would you? The reason they do the pat downs is to scare people into using the body scanners? Are you SERIOUS? They've been doing pat downs longer than you've been alive. Hell longer than anyone on this planet period has been alive. Geeze get a grip why don't ya.
As for the radiation giving an unhealthy dose of radiation....try again.
Experts Say Radiation Fears From Full-Body Scans Unfounded
If you want I can post many many more articles on it that state pretty much the same thing.
Ok, I know this has already been said before but I'm going to try and give it one more shot. Maybe it will get through this time.
An airport is run by a private company. As such you have no "right" to fly. You can be denied passage by the airline at any time. Because the airline is a company and not the government the 9th Amendment of the Constitution does not apply. You buy the ticket to ride on this companies planes knowing full well what will happen when you go to get on an airplane. Now the airline is working with the government in order to provide a more secure passage for their customers. One of the requirements to get onto that plane is (or will be) a body scanner. The Airline has agreed to let the use of such technology be allowed.
Kal'Stang said:Now since you know full well what will happen if you go to fly somewhere and still attempt to fly on their planes you do give your permission to be subjected to a private companies security measures. Giving someone your consent does not have to be done by words. It can be done through actions also. In this case the action of buying the ticket and trying to go through the security check point is the way that you give your consent. Because of this your 4th amendment right is nullified.
And if you don't believe me that airlines are working with the government...well...here ya go....
Second public hearing of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
The notion that this is the AIRLINES - and not the government - subjecting passengers to this ridiculousness is beyond absurd. It is incredibly disingenuous to claim that just because the government passed a law that all the companies affected approve of that law...or that even if they did, that it's therefore the airlines requiring this nonsense.
I would suggest that there be optional flights for those who do not want security measures to prevent potential threats (assuming you can find flight personnel to operate such flights) and give up any liability should something occur. Personally, I think the only way we can lessen the chance of problems is by incorporating security measures. Having worked in corrections, I know that individuals will use any measures to bring in contraband. I've seen people bring in drugs in balloons in their stomach, drugs & weapons in the diapers of their children, drugs and weapons in their cavities, etc. And these are people who, for the most part, are not wanting to die. I've been trained in both pat searching and strip searching. As such, I've had it done to me. Yes, it's intrusive and embearessing. But when it comes to saving the lives of a plane loaded with people, I would suggest that it's worth the it.
I would suggest that there be optional flights for those who do not want security measures to prevent potential threats (assuming you can find flight personnel to operate such flights) and give up any liability should something occur. Personally, I think the only way we can lessen the chance of problems is by incorporating security measures. Having worked in corrections, I know that individuals will use any measures to bring in contraband. I've seen people bring in drugs in balloons in their stomach, drugs & weapons in the diapers of their children, drugs and weapons in their cavities, etc. And these are people who, for the most part, are not wanting to die. I've been trained in both pat searching and strip searching. As such, I've had it done to me. Yes, it's intrusive and embearessing. But when it comes to saving the lives of a plane loaded with people, I would suggest that it's worth the it.
but....someone might see/touch my tiny weiner :2bigcry:
I find it hilarious that the people who are bitching about civil libertarians overreacting actually support the government treating citizens like criminals, just so that they can (theoretically) reduce the risk of you being a victim of a plane bombing from a virtually zero probability to a slightly smaller virtually zero probability...and just shift that infintesimal risk from the plane to the security line.
Yeah, WE'RE the ones overreacting. :roll:
how is having to walk through a freakin scanner in anyway being "treated like a criminal"? just what "freedom" does this infringe upon?
why is it that one of the last guys to make such a big deal about it turned out to have a crack pipe in his pocket and that is what set off the metal detector which lead to them wanting to scan him.
how is having to walk through a freakin scanner in anyway being "treated like a criminal"? just what "freedom" does this infringe upon?
why is it that one of the last guys to make such a big deal about it turned out to have a crack pipe in his pocket and that is what set off the metal detector which lead to them wanting to scan him.
If you want a right to privacy, don't leave your house. Outside those four walls, that right does not exist. Period.
If you want a right to privacy, don't leave your house. Outside those four walls, that right does not exist. Period.
what about our right to privacy? this is a slippery slope.
how is having to walk through a freakin scanner in anyway being "treated like a criminal"? just what "freedom" does this infringe upon?
OscarB63 said:why is it that one of the last guys to make such a big deal about it turned out to have a crack pipe in his pocket and that is what set off the metal detector which lead to them wanting to scan him.
Yes it does. If I'm outside, can some random person photograph me? Sure. But does that mean that the police can randomly strip search me just because I'm outside? No, of course not. I still have reasonable expectation to protection against unreasonable search and seizure. Just because I'm outside does not mean that the government is unchained.
ah the old "slippery slope" catch all. If you want privacy don't leave your house. OMG, that dude in the car next to me looked at me...he invaded my privacy. the greeter at Walmart asked to see my receipt...he invaded my privacy. That cop asked to see my license and registration....he invaded my privacy.
I still see how it is unreasonable to ask you to walk through a damn scanner. It's not like they are asking you to publically stip and do a little dance for them.
I still see how it is unreasonable to ask you to walk through a damn scanner. It's not like they are asking you to publically stip and do a little dance for them.
Ikari said:Yes it does. If I'm outside, can some random person photograph me? Sure. But does that mean that the police can randomly strip search me just because I'm outside? No, of course not. I still have reasonable expectation to protection against unreasonable search and seizure. Just because I'm outside does not mean that the government is unchained.
liblady said:since when?
Well, as you've alluded to, a right is not dependent upon situational factors. If you get naked out in public, I can snap pics of you. If you're naked at home, I'm not allowed.
Outside those four walls, I'm free to do many things that many people may consider an "invasion of privacy". However, they have no legal leg to stand on to prevent almost all of it.
Since ever.
People really need to research what it means to have a "right".
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