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What should we do about Detroit?

ocean515 said:
The answer to you questions are available via the link I provided. As to the Koch Bros, they aren't planning on spending $890 mill of their own money. Again, another meme with no basis in fact.

Do you know how much money the Democracy Alliance is planning to spend? That's the Soro's affiliated Billionaire Club of Liberal/Progressive donors.

The bigger question is, should big money be in politics? Why not? Who's benefitting? Are they torching the money in giant bon fires, or spending it to hire people, print flyers, fund the creation of websites, etc, etc..

To suggest it's wrong, is to suggest voters are just a bunch of mind numbed robots easily swayed by shiny objects and slick messages. If you think that's true, then I can understand why people don't like big money in politics.

For example, when political message and ideology can be forced down children's throats in our nations classrooms via liberal messaging by Big Liberal Education, a counter to that propaganda must be made available. Remove this force feeding, and perhaps some of the big money can be removed. To simply remove it, while maintaining the ability to legally manipulate, is not fair to any party, or political persuasion.
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The only Liberal/Progressive party is Bennie Sanders. Which I will vote for, because as of now he is not taking corporate money.

The rest are owed by Rich guys or corporations, & I don't care what you're link says the Koch's own the Rep's.

No there should not be big money in politics. Do you prefer oligarchy or a government for the people. Its the same problem we had before the depression.

The rest is just Right Wing propaganda. There is a big push to privatize schools, who's behind that?
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
It just keeps getting whackier:lol:
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I know, hard to believe they think people won't notice.

Historical HS graduation rates:

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High School Graduation Requirements Get Limber - US News

Loosening high school graduation requirements to stem dropouts and improve college and career readiness may seem counterintuitive, but some states are doing just that.​


Whackier indeed. Ever since Lib/Progs took control of public education, grad rates have plummeted. Of course lowering graduation requirements helps reverse that course.

Good thing all these current day students have learned about all these critical social justice issues. Certainly going to come in handy on pay day.
 
ocean515 said:
I know, hard to believe they think people won't notice.

Historical HS graduation rates:

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High School Graduation Requirements Get Limber - US News

Loosening high school graduation requirements to stem dropouts and improve college and career readiness may seem counterintuitive, but some states are doing just that.​


Whackier indeed. Ever since Lib/Progs took control of public education, grad rates have plummeted. Of course lowering graduation requirements helps reverse that course.

Good thing all these current day students have learned about all these critical social justice issues. Certainly going to come in handy on pay day.
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From your link : On Monday, Florida Gov. Rick Scott inked a bill that scraps algebra II, chemistry and physics requirements and creates three distinct diplomas – standard, scholar and merit – for high school students starting in the 2013-2014 school year.

Hmmmm, doesn't seem like some lib type thing but whatever floats your boat.
 
kjwins said:
The only Liberal/Progressive party is Bennie Sanders. Which I will vote for, because as of now he is not taking corporate money.

The rest are owed by Rich guys or corporations, & I don't care what you're link says the Koch's own the Rep's.

No there should not be big money in politics. Do you prefer oligarchy or a government for the people. Its the same problem we had before the depression.

The rest is just Right Wing propaganda. There is a big push to privatize schools, who's behind that?
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I don't know if I claimed there was a Liberal/Progressive Party. There is most certainly a Liberal/Progressive agenda that has significant influence, if not control, of the Democrat Party.

Of course, not caring about facts like those I provided regarding the Koch Bros kind of marginalizes your opinion.

A government for the people is what we have in the United States, regardless of what your claims are. Not everyone in every corner has an opportunity to have their opinions and voices known, so they join various groups to consolidate their voice. You may call that influence pedaling, and to a degree, it is. However, in a government for the people, that is how it needs to work.

It's apparent you think voters and citizens are just a bunch of gullible robots. I sometimes think that myself, living in California as I do. However, I don't see any better way to have the people's voices heard.

I'm for absolute transparency in Government. I want complete disclosure by Reps of their daily iteneraries, expenses, and who is writing legislation for them. If you're elected to public office, you get the proverbial anal probe of your activities and actions. It is only them that voters can actually determine if there is a government for the people or not.

Finally, this Oligarchy blather is nothing but propaganda BS from the extreme left, so let's not kid anyone here.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
From your link : On Monday, Florida Gov. Rick Scott inked a bill that scraps algebra II, chemistry and physics requirements and creates three distinct diplomas – standard, scholar and merit – for high school students starting in the 2013-2014 school year.

Hmmmm, doesn't seem like some lib type thing but whatever floats your boat.
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I see. So you think that one example proves the facts wrong?

I suggest you consider a boat of any kind.

:sinking:
 
ocean515 said:
I don't know if I claimed there was a Liberal/Progressive Party. There is most certainly a Liberal/Progressive agenda that has significant influence, if not control, of the Democrat Party.

Of course, not caring about facts like those I provided regarding the Koch Bros kind of marginalizes your opinion.

A government for the people is what we have in the United States, regardless of what your claims are. Not everyone in every corner has an opportunity to have their opinions and voices known, so they join various groups to consolidate their voice. You may call that influence pedaling, and to a degree, it is. However, in a government for the people, that is how it needs to work.

It's apparent you think voters and citizens are just a bunch of gullible robots. I sometimes think that myself, living in California as I do. However, I don't see any better way to have the people's voices heard.

I'm for absolute transparency in Government. I want complete disclosure by Reps of their daily iteneraries, expenses, and who is writing legislation for them. If you're elected to public office, you get the proverbial anal probe of your activities and actions. It is only them that voters can actually determine if there is a government for the people or not.

Finally, this Oligarchy blather is nothing but propaganda BS from the extreme left, so let's not kid anyone here.
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It only marginalizes MY opinion in you're views. So I agree to disagree with you.
 
Helix said:
or

technology and dirt cheap labor in the third world

or

multiple factors, because real life is more nuanced.

or

corporate greed, because i'm a left winger, and it feels more staying to make that claim. or unions and government, because i'm a right winger, and it feels more satisfying to make that claim.

i think i'll go with nuance.
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Except that the primary factor in Detroit was the labor unions:

How the Unions Killed Detroit - The Daily Beast
 
detroit can be rebuilt,but it would require a complete overhaul of its tax/regultion,and permit laws.

detroit is much like a landlord.at first rent was low,rules were keep it clean and dispose of everything properly.then it jacked up water rates,then rent,then started jacking up rent even further,you can get the picture.in the end it became unsuitable for any business,and still has done little to change its ways.

much of the northeastern industry did the same,they started raising taxes fees permits etc to a crippling point,like they thought their industry would never leave no matter how badly they treated them.detroit was the worst of those cities.


manufacturing in the us is alive and well in the south,in the north some cities have recovered,while most seem to think they can milk those manufacturors dry without anything bad happening,well after all of them left and no one else moves in.

keep in mind detroits current tax structure,as well as permit and fee structure,makes it unprofitable for any business to move there.even worse their homeowner structure makes it rediculous to afford a house there no matter how cheaply its sold,deterring people from ever moving there.they milked that cow dry,and still keep their law structure like that cow has an endless supply of milk.
 
ocean515 said:
It should to everybody, but it's not.

Start them young, the unwritten mission of the NEA, Annenberg Trust, and the rest of the liberal/progressive forces that have been derailing public education for decades.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?cycle=2014

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Gee, the nations teachers certainly spread their political contributions, don't they?
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No wonder the hate School Vouchers..Their control on education is the only thing keeping them alive.
 
ocean515 said:
I know, hard to believe they think people won't notice.

Historical HS graduation rates:

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High School Graduation Requirements Get Limber - US News

Loosening high school graduation requirements to stem dropouts and improve college and career readiness may seem counterintuitive, but some states are doing just that.​


Whackier indeed. Ever since Lib/Progs took control of public education, grad rates have plummeted. Of course lowering graduation requirements helps reverse that course.

Good thing all these current day students have learned about all these critical social justice issues. Certainly going to come in handy on pay day.
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And they call us wrong/liars/crazy.....Come over the to the school voucher thread..
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
In other words, your source belies you:2razz:
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LOL

Not at all. It supports my posts. After crippling education with all the touchy, feely social justice blather, the only way to juice graduation rates is to lower standards. That isn't a Republican policy, that is a Republican reaction to a desperate situation.

You've actually proved my point, but don't let that stand in the way of the ideological obsession you must adhere to.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

Not at all. It supports my posts. After crippling education with all the touchy, feely social justice blather, the only way to juice graduation rates is to lower standards. That isn't a Republican policy, that is a Republican reaction to a desperate situation.

You've actually proved my point, but don't let that stand in the way of the ideological obsession you must adhere to.
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Sadly, you didn't read your post, or maybe you just didn't understand it.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

Ya, kind of read it. That's why I posted it.

Your canned response doesn't really refute anything.
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The question we have to ask ourselves is why are they stopping us? How can they stop us..
 
sookster said:
Ask for government aid, and pick up the schools and communities. Knock down crap that is vacant. Once the populace becomes better educated property values will go up, and there will be a higher skilled workforce.

Honestly I think this should be done nationwide. The government can print indefinitely, with the only restriction being the production of the economy. (MMT) You fight poverty thru education, not welfare. If you make the area nicer, crime will go down. So if you knock down buildings that aren't being used, and clean it up, crime will go down.

My answer is to get the government to print the money to provide financial assistance to the educational sector of Detroit.
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The majority of Detroit's residents are African American. Don't you believe African Americans have adequate access to financial benefits for college right now?
 
CMPancake said:
With Suh out of town that leaves a massive hole in that Detroit D.
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And Farley too! But Suh was awesome last year and his rookie year, the in between years he was good, but a lot of trouble too. The defense was very good last year due to our new coordinator, who imo is of more value than Suh. If he has another good year without Suh, he'll be a head coach somewhere else next year.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

Ya, kind of read it. That's why I posted it.

Your canned response doesn't really refute anything.
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You're article talks about how some candidates (and uses a republican for an example) want to lower standards for some students. It says nothing about social justice. :failpail:
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
You're article talks about how some candidates (and uses a republican for an example) want to lower standards for some students. It says nothing about social justice. :failpail:
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:doh

Brilliant, as always. You are correct. The purpose of the article was to provide evidence of what is being done now to deal with the fall out of decades of liberal touchy feely social justice focused education.

You know, social justice education, the kind where they hand out participation trophies so as to not hurt little Sarah's oh so tender feewings. Or they have multiple class valedictorians because, geeze, don't want to single out high achievement at the expense of others who didn't put in the effort. Or, let's have a special, "This special group is cool" week, because, it's the social justice right thing to do.

Perhaps you should reserve your fail pail for appropriate times, since all you've done here is prove you follow the wrong leader.

legend-fail.webp
 
ocean515 said:
:doh

Brilliant, as always. You are correct. The purpose of the article was to provide evidence of what is being done now to deal with the fall out of decades of liberal touchy feely social justice focused education.

You know, social justice education, the kind where they hand out participation trophies so as to not hurt little Sarah's oh so tender feewings. Or they have multiple class valedictorians because, geeze, don't want to single out high achievement at the expense of others who didn't put in the effort. Or, let's have a special, "This special group is cool" week, because, it's the social justice right thing to do.

Perhaps you should reserve your fail pail for appropriate times, since all you've done here is prove you follow the wrong leader.

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Nice!
 
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