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If a politician lies, and you believe them and vote for them based on those promises which are broken, isn't that another kind of voter fraud?
If a politician lies, and you believe them and vote for them based on those promises which are broken, isn't that another kind of voter fraud?
Good morning, Erik. :2wave:
Probably, but we're so used to getting lied to by politicians - which we wouldn't put up with from family and friends - that we cut them some slack! And when you stop and consider things, how many of us would vote for someone who told us that things would either stay crappy like they currently are, or actually get worse? :lamo
Should there be any kind of punishment for politicians who aren't honest in their campaigns?
it must also be objectively reasonable to assume a contract existed.
and I do not believe any court will rule an election year campaign promise to be one.
Get idea in theory.
But in practice?
We need SOMEONE in charge.
If we booted everyone that lied we wouldn't have.many folks left.
Get idea in theory.
But in practice?
We need SOMEONE in charge.
If we booted everyone that lied we wouldn't have.many folks left.
Not once they all started to realize that they could no longer lie. They'd start following the rules of a civil society. Only reason that politicians lie to us all the time is because we let them. They're just like kids, if they think that they can get away with something then they'll continue to do it until punished. They may try it a couple more times after initial punishment but after being consistent with your stance and punishments they will eventually stop all together.
Under very specific circumstances I would be in favor of going after them in civil court the way we do with false advertising.
So if Candidate A claims that Candidate B voted for law x, when Candidate B did NOT vote for law x, and Candidate A made this claim in order to win votes, I think there should be some sort of civil penalty for Candidate A.
If Candidate A promises to pass law Z once he gets into office and once in office he doesn't pass law Z, I don't think there is anything we can do to him other than not vote for him again. There are numerous reasons a candidate may not be able to keep a campaign promise. Sometimes it was a lie from the start, but sometimes they were just wrong. And differentiating between the two could be problematic.
There are laws in place.
Slander for when you speak out against another candidate with lies (most don't press charges because they, themselves, do the same thing).
If the lie is bad enough it could be committing perjury.
There are also political campaign laws in place.
The problem isn't that there is no system to protect the U.S. from lying candidates it is that nobody cares enough to enforce the laws. The entire system is poisoned with corruption and as is displayed by posts here, the average American could give a **** if they are lied to or not.
I'd prosecute to the highest extent of the law, personally.
Not once they all started to realize that they could no longer lie. They'd start following the rules of a civil society. Only reason that politicians lie to us all the time is because we let them. They're just like kids, if they think that they can get away with something then they'll continue to do it until punished. They may try it a couple more times after initial punishment but after being consistent with your stance and punishments they will eventually stop all together.
Should there be any kind of punishment for politicians who aren't honest in their campaigns?
I do not want to authorize the government to make determinations about what "the truth" is. If the public catches a politician lying to them, they should simply vote not to re-elected that politician.
America suffers from battered spouse syndrome. It isn't that we like being lied to but we have become comfortable with it. As long as there is still some luxury to being an American then we accept everything our Government does. But. Like the battered spouse, things have to come to a head eventually. Either America wakes up and says "no more" or it is finally killed by the abusive spouse we call our Government.Not only do we let them get away with it, but we choose to believe all of the lies that confirm our biases.
So you not voting for Hillary after all.