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What religion is Barack Obama?

What religion is Barack Obama?

  • Christian (wouldn't affect the way I vote)

    Votes: 26 70.3%

  • Muslim (wouldn't affect the way I vote)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Christian (would affect the way I vote)

    Votes: 2 5.4%

  • Muslim (would affect the way I vote)

    Votes: 4 10.8%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 5 13.5%

  • Atheist (would affect the way I vote)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Atheist (wouldn't affect the way I vote)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    37
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liberateamerica888

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Though the people who frequent this forum may be more intelligent and educated than the average American, I would like to see what religion you believe that Barack Obama practices. Also, would it affect the way you think of him?
 
liberateamerica888 said:
Though the people who frequent this forum may be more intelligent and educated than the average American, I would like to see what religion you believe that Barack Obama practices. Also, would it affect the way you think of him?
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His religion should not affect the way people think of him.

Those who say he's muslim are usually bigots who call him "Hussein Obama", who say he supports terrorists...they try to make an amalgam with him and terrorists.

If his name was Karl Obama they would say he is communist.
 
Whatever he says he is, that's what he is.
Religion is one of those self-declared things. And if he says he's something different tomorrow, then that's what he is. It's no crime to change religions; people do it all the time.
I think he's a protestant; which branch, I'm not sure.
TUCC, which he used to belong to, is "Church of Christ".
Maybe it's one of those nondenominal protestant sects. They're becoming more and more popular.

Beyond that, I think Obama is a deeply ethical and moral person who might possibly consider himself also a very spiritual person, but I do not think his commitment to organized religion is part of that.
I think he belongs to a church, a religion, for social reasons- perfectly valid and legitimate and ethical social reasons- but not for spiritual reasons.
I think his spirituality is a private thing that he probably shares only with his family and closest friends, if with anyone.

Obama strongly believes in the church- any church- as a useful and positive guiding and uniting force in the community, especially in troubled and impoverished communities. He believes in the fellowship that can be formed through church.
Does he believe in what the church teaches, what the bible teaches, is he even a christian? Does he truly, deep down, consider himself a christian or believe in the tenets of any particular organized religion? Islam, Judaism, Christianity?
I doubt it.
Does he even believe in a higher power, a supernatural or divine creator?
Can't say for sure. I truly have no idea. I don't believe he mentioned it in his autobiography (although he mentions church plenty), but I haven't read his second book. Perhaps he mentions it there.
I think he believes- almost to the point of idealism- that the potential for goodness resides within each of us. He believes in the potential of humankind to be good.
I think he believes that any religion that emphasizes the virtues of love and forgiveness and peace and cooperation and charity (and all the major religions- Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Paganism, Judaism- agree on the importance of certain key virtues, at least when interpreted in their most positive lights) is a powerful force for the good of humankind.

I think he wants to help churches, strengthen churches, give money to churches so they can do outreach in communities.
I don't know if he believes in God, though.

Why, ultimately, should it matter?

He believes in good. That should be enough.
 
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He's a Christian of some denomination. He's not Muslim. It doesn't matter unless you are a brainwashed dolt who believes Muslims are evil or only Christians are right...or both.
 
liberateamerica888 said:
Though the people who frequent this forum may be more intelligent and educated than the average American, I would like to see what religion you believe that Barack Obama practices. Also, would it affect the way you think of him?
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Obama sets record straight on his religion
Presidential candidate battles misconception that he's a Muslim
"I've been to the same church _ the same Christian church _ for almost 20 years," Obama said, stressing the word Christian and drawing cheers from the faithful in reply. "I was sworn in with my hand on the family Bible. Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. So if you get some silly e-mail ... send it back to whoever sent it and tell them this is all crazy. Educate."
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Why is it that when a christian's political views are liberal, the left is just fine with that, but when a christian's political views are right, he is a right-wing religious evangilical nutjob?
 
He's a Christian just as he says he is, and no, I don't care what mythology he ascribes to himself. I'm more concerned with his bunk economic theories.

As an aside, I was eating in a cafeteria and watching the news (Fox) who was doing a piece on Obama not visiting the wounded troops when a black lady (employee) not so inconspicuously made her way over to my table and began a light rant on how much she disliked Obama; for some reason she thought I would be an appropriate recipient for her angst.

Her reasons for not liking Obama were certainly not the most intelligent ones I've ever heard but the one that I found most disturbing was her classification of him as a Muslim. It's funny that a libertarian would find himself sticking up for Obama as much as I've had to do during this election, but given the amount of ignorant people in the world it's not really that suprising either.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Why is it that when a christian's political views are liberal, the left is just fine with that, but when a christian's political views are right, he is a right-wing religious evangilical nutjob?
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Usually the left tend not to rule out of the pulpit, or minaret as the case may be. Those who do deserve equal scorn.
 
Why is it that when a christian's political views are liberal, the left is just fine with that, but when a christian's political views are right, he is a right-wing religious evangilical nutjob?
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Actually, it's not "just fine" with me; obama's commitment to funding faith-based initiatives, for instance, isn't fine with me at all.
But I understand.
I understand from reading about his work as a community organizer in impoverished communities, and from my own life in a poor community, that the church often functions as the liaison between the people and the help and services they need, especially when it comes to children and the elderly.

I can respect that. I just posted today about the need for liaisons. Unfortunately many of the poor are uneducated, superstitious, religious.
I wish all liaisons could be secular, and the church could be a whole different, no-strings-attached entity, but that's not the way things work.
In the real world, some of the most disadvantaged among us, the most in need of services, don't trust anybody but the church. Sometimes for good reason. Sometimes they've been mistreated terribly.

I trust Obama not to push an agenda of converting the world to christianity or any other religion, or trying to impose a bunch of bogus moral restrictions on us all, or infringe upon our privacy.
I believe he's pushing an agenda, but that's not it. And his agenda is good, it's something I agree with. Everybody's got an agenda of some sort; his is the betterment of society, from the ground up.
He feels it's necessary to work with various churches in order to effect the necessary changes.
He's probably right.
We cannot ignore the fact that the majority of people in this country- and practically all of the poor- are Christians, and many of them are so devout that they would never be able to trust someone not endorsed by the church, no matter how positive his intentions might be.
 
Ethereal said:
He's a Christian just as he says he is, and no, I don't care what mythology he ascribes to himself. I'm more concerned with his bunk economic theories.

As an aside, I was eating in a cafeteria and watching the news (Fox) who was doing a piece on Obama not visiting the wounded troops when a black lady (employee) not so inconspicuously made her way over to my table and began a light rant on how much she disliked Obama; for some reason she thought I would be an appropriate recipient for her angst.

Her reasons for not liking Obama were certainly not the most intelligent ones I've ever heard but the one that I found most disturbing was her classification of him as a Muslim. It's funny that a libertarian would find himself sticking up for Obama as much as I've had to do during this election, but given the amount of ignorant people in the world it's not really that suprising either.
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Considering that Obama has been allowed to re-write his own personal history as he goes along (ex: he never knew that Rev. Wright was a racist Black Marxist, although he spent 20 years in his church), why should anyone believe he isn't a Muslim?

After all, he did get in trouble for goofing off during Koranic Studies when he was a kid by his own admission as per one of his books.

He claims to have "converted" to Christianity. Atheists don't convert to Christianity, they become Christians. Atheism isn't a religion (at least that notion has been put forth and defended quite a bit here), so you don't convert from atheism to theism.

Obama converted to Christianity; what was he before his conversion?
 
The silenced majority said:
Considering that Obama has been allowed to re-write his own personal history as he goes along (ex: he never knew that Rev. Wright was a racist Black Marxist, although he spent 20 years in his church), why should anyone believe he isn't a Muslim?

After all, he did get in trouble for goofing off during Koranic Studies when he was a kid by his own admission as per one of his books.

He claims to have "converted" to Christianity. Atheists don't convert to Christianity, they become Christians. Atheism isn't a religion (at least that notion has been put forth and defended quite a bit here), so you don't convert from atheism to theism.

Obama converted to Christianity; what was he before his conversion?
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Obama was born into a white Christian family. He lived with Christians all his life, just like you or anybody else here. They may not have been particularly devout, they may not have been regular churchgoers, but they were old white people from Kansas, of course they were christians. What else would they be? Of course their values were middle-class white American judeo-christian values, what other values would they have?

Obama met his father once, when he was ten years old. His father stayed in town to visit him for two weeks, and then Obama never saw the man again.
And anyway, his father was an atheist.

He lived in an islamic country with his mother and stepfather for a couple of years, where his mother had no choice but to briefly send him to a muslim school, much as I was sent to a catholic school for eight years as a child.
Obama is as much a muslim as I am a catholic.
No, less.
 
The silenced majority is a douchebag.

Oh, and I don't care. Just like a don't care that John McCain dumped his wife for an heiress. Or that the leader of the Anglican Church will be an adulterer when the old hag dies.

Well, that last one is pretty sweet.
 
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The silenced majority said:
Considering that Obama has been allowed to re-write his own personal history as he goes along (ex: he never knew that Rev. Wright was a racist Black Marxist, although he spent 20 years in his church), why should anyone believe he isn't a Muslim?

After all, he did get in trouble for goofing off during Koranic Studies when he was a kid by his own admission as per one of his books.

He claims to have "converted" to Christianity. Atheists don't convert to Christianity, they become Christians. Atheism isn't a religion (at least that notion has been put forth and defended quite a bit here), so you don't convert from atheism to theism.

Obama converted to Christianity; what was he before his conversion?
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Your post doesn't make sense.
 
The silenced majority said:
Translation: why should we believe a word that the lying shuck and jiver says?
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No, you claimed he was a muslim then claimed he was an atheist and therefore couldn't convert into Christianity because pears don't taste good after November if you're in a cool climate once a shot rings and a pawn takes the rook.

Or something like that. I couldn't follow.
 
Joby said:
The silenced majority is a douchebag.

Oh, and I don't care. Just like a don't care that John McCain dumped his wife for an heiress. Or that the leader of the Anglican Church will be an adulterer when the old hag dies.

Well, that last one is pretty sweet.
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Your ad-hom is duly noted.

Face it. You've always been a lightweight and never had what it takes to even challenge a word I write.

This will be the last key stroke I waste on you.
 
shuamort said:
No, you claimed he was a muslim then claimed he was an atheist and therefore couldn't convert into Christianity because pears don't taste good after November if you're in a cool climate once a shot rings and a pawn takes the rook.

Or something like that. I couldn't follow.
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Well, it all revolves around Barack Obama being able to take any position on anything at any given time. He can be an atheist when it's suitable; a Christian at other times.

I never claimed Barack was a Muslim anyhow. I just claimed no reason to believe a word he says as he's been proven to be a liar who's able to drop his controversial past associations without impunity.

He obviously lied about not knowing about Jeremiah Wright's controversial views, or he was too stupid to figure it out on his own until the media pointed it out to him - 20 years down the road.

I don't think he's that stupid to narrow it down for you.
 
I dont think Obama or mccain are strong believers they both just use religion because they have to to get elected.
 
mikhail said:
I dont think Obama or mccain are strong believers they both just use religion because they have to to get elected.
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I agree on both counts.
I'm very happy that whoever wins, there won't be another "true believer" in the White House.
Things are bad enough without that mess, a leader who believes an invisible buddy is guiding his course, a buddy who just coincidentally advises him to do all the things he wanted to do in the first place.
 
Welfare Socialist with a strong belief that taxing the productive will somehow make the poor productive. Its as silly a myth as some of the most inane tenets of Christianity
 
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