What percent of the population wants to take away shotguns and deer rifles?

[soylentgreen]

Without freedom of choice your freedom is limited and dependent on your servitude to government.

Again, as i have said I have choice. Where as you apparently live with the belief that you have no choice but to defend yourself from your corrupt government.

 

[Killer Clouds]

Again, as i have said I have choice. Where as you apparently live with the belief that you have no choice but to defend yourself from your corrupt government.

Apparently you're happy to live your life with limited freedom and an oppressive government.

 

[soylentgreen]

Apparently you're happy to live your life with limited freedom and an oppressive government.

Apparently you are completely clueless as to what happens in my country. I have as much freedom as you do and as much a right to make choices.

 

[Killer Clouds]

Apparently you are completely clueless as to what happens in my country. I have as much freedom as you do and as much a right to make choices.

I don't care what happens in your country. Can you legally purchase and own an AR 15 and keep it at your home?

It's Never Enough: More Gun Laws Passed in New Zealand :: Guns.com

Despite enacting a sweeping firearms ban last year, officials in New Zealand have successfully pushed a new set of regulations designed to inform gun owners of their precarious "privilege."

www.guns.com

Is this true or not? Is says owning a gun in New Zealand is a privilege. Owning a gun in the US is a right.

 

[TurtleDude]

Apparently you are completely clueless as to what happens in my country. I have as much freedom as you do and as much a right to make choices.

can you own the same firearms that your civilian police routinely use? can you carry them?

 

[TurtleDude]

I don't care what happens in your country. Can you legally purchase and own an AR 15 and keep it at your home?

It's Never Enough: More Gun Laws Passed in New Zealand :: Guns.com

Despite enacting a sweeping firearms ban last year, officials in New Zealand have successfully pushed a new set of regulations designed to inform gun owners of their precarious "privilege."

www.guns.com

Is this true or not? Is says owning a gun in New Zealand is a privilege. Owning a gun in the US is a right.

if the government doesn't trust you to own the same weapons that their agents may use against you, why should you trust that government to have any power?

 

[Killer Clouds]

if the government doesn't trust you to own the same weapons that their agents may use against you, why should you trust that government to have any power?

If you can't criticize your government without fear of reprisal are you living in a free society?

 

[soylentgreen]

I don't care what happens in your country. Can you legally purchase and own an AR 15 and keep it at your home?

It's Never Enough: More Gun Laws Passed in New Zealand :: Guns.com

Despite enacting a sweeping firearms ban last year, officials in New Zealand have successfully pushed a new set of regulations designed to inform gun owners of their precarious "privilege."

www.guns.com

Is this true or not? Is says owning a gun in New Zealand is a privilege. Owning a gun in the US is a right.

It is not that you do not care what goes on in my country it is that you cannot be bothered to do all the google research required to find out anything about my country. Whereas if nothing else america is just a little more interesting than whatever reality show is playing on tv for all of us in the rest of the world.
You hang your dirty underwear out for all to see then don't blame us for looking. And thanks for trump, he is still the funniest reality show on tv.
I have yet to see one good reason as to why it should be a right. There is no denying that americas record with guns is not as sterling as you would like it to be.

 

[TurtleDude]

It is not that you do not care what goes on in my country it is that you cannot be bothered to do all the google research required to find out anything about my country. Whereas if nothing else america is just a little more interesting than whatever reality show is playing on tv for all of us in the rest of the world.
You hang your dirty underwear out for all to see then don't blame us for looking. And thanks for trump, he is still the funniest reality show on tv.
I have yet to see one good reason as to why it should be a right. There is no denying that americas record with guns is not as sterling as you would like it to be.

this seems like some jealousy to me. I realize that NZ might be a great place to live, even with moronic gun laws that seem to be based on politicians trying to pretend they care but let us be honest: NZ is pretty much irrelevant in terms of global power issues and while it might grate you, the USA is still the shining city on the hill and the greatest nation in the world

 

[Killer Clouds]

It is not that you do not care what goes on in my country it is that you cannot be bothered to do all the google research required to find out anything about my country. Whereas if nothing else america is just a little more interesting than whatever reality show is playing on tv for all of us in the rest of the world.
You hang your dirty underwear out for all to see then don't blame us for looking. And thanks for trump, he is still the funniest reality show on tv.
I have yet to see one good reason as to why it should be a right. There is no denying that americas record with guns is not as sterling as you would like it to be.

No. I really couldn't care less about New Zealand.

 

[soylentgreen]

I don't care what happens in your country. Can you legally purchase and own an AR 15 and keep it at your home?

It's Never Enough: More Gun Laws Passed in New Zealand :: Guns.com

Despite enacting a sweeping firearms ban last year, officials in New Zealand have successfully pushed a new set of regulations designed to inform gun owners of their precarious "privilege."

www.guns.com

Is this true or not? Is says owning a gun in New Zealand is a privilege. Owning a gun in the US is a right.

Technically it would depend on what you list as your trade. But for the average then no such guns are illegal.
But don't you think it rather ironic that you who claims freedom needs to use a biased site such as an obvious pro gun site.
When you can point out that the nz government is proven so corrupt that they simply pass laws for their own benefit and without the will of the people.
To make it simple for you. Show me where their is enough disagreement and unrest over the nz governments actions and not just some site dedicated to the selling of guns who just might have a bit of a bias to their opinion.
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-...of-last-year-s-massacre-RqkWyU8k4U/index.html

The government had near-unanimous support in parliament last year when it passed a law banning military-style semi-automatic firearms within weeks after the March 2019 attack.

The second round of changes passed on Thursday faced some resistance, with gun lobbyists and opposition leaders questioning the need for a gun registry.

New Zealand's efforts on gun control have gained global praise, especially in the United States, where lawmakers in favor of gun control and activists have struggled to address gun violence.

Instead of your propaganda how about a few facts.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/get-in...-proposes-further-tightening-of-gun-controls/

Key changes proposed in the bill include:

• Creating a firearms registry. This would store information about firearms and link them to licence holders so that every firearm legally held in New Zealand can be monitored.
• Strengthening the licensing regime by tightening the rules for both individuals and dealers, shortening the licence period, and focusing more on filtering out high-risk people.
• Extending licence requirements to cover parts, magazines, and ammunition.
• Creating a licensing regime for shooting clubs and ranges.
• Strengthening the oversight of arms imports and sales.
• Giving the Police more tools to vet people and enforce the regime.
• Enabling health practitioners to notify the Police if they have concerns about a licenced firearm owner’s mental health or wellbeing.
• Introducing some new offences and increasing existing penalties.
• Allowing for regulations to be developed so the Police could recover some costs.

Who might this bill affect?

• people who own or use firearms or firearm parts, magazines, or ammunition
• dealers, importers, and manufacturers of firearms, ammunition, or parts
• members and operators of shooting clubs
• health practitioners

Now what is your problem here?

 

[TurtleDude]

Technically it would depend on what you list as your trade. But for the average then no such guns are illegal.
But don't you think it rather ironic that you who claims freedom needs to use a biased site such as an obvious pro gun site.
When you can point out that the nz government is proven so corrupt that they simply pass laws for their own benefit and without the will of the people.
To make it simple for you. Show me where their is enough disagreement and unrest over the nz governments actions and not just some site dedicated to the selling of guns who just might have a bit of a bias to their opinion.
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-...of-last-year-s-massacre-RqkWyU8k4U/index.html


Instead of your propaganda how about a few facts.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/get-in...-proposes-further-tightening-of-gun-controls/




Now what is your problem here?

looks like typical left wing idiocy-harassing a group of people who generally don't cause problems, so the assholes in office can pretend they did something in order to placate the sheeple

 

[TurtleDude]

No. I really couldn't care less about New Zealand.

It is interesting how many foreigners are critical of our laws and rights-when I doubt hardly any Americans are spending ANY time on foreign boards like this, complaining (or even caring) about the laws of countries that really don't matter to us

 

[Bucky]

You do, don't you? You are on record wanting to ban some guns. If those bans were to pass, and crime remained the same-are you going to call for erasing the ban, or banning more stuff. My bet is banning more stuff

What are you suggesting, that no guns be banned at all?

 

[soylentgreen]

this seems like some jealousy to me. I realize that NZ might be a great place to live, even with moronic gun laws that seem to be based on politicians trying to pretend they care but let us be honest: NZ is pretty much irrelevant in terms of global power issues and while it might grate you, the USA is still the shining city on the hill and the greatest nation in the world

That really depends on what a person wants in life. I respect that you want to live in america but you should understand that not everyone shares that belief.

It's easy to degrade politicians especially if your an american. But to actually demonstrate the corruption you demand must exist is another thing. Either our politicians are a world above american politicians in the arts of deceit or there just simply is not the corruption your argument depends on existing.

As for moronic law please look at post # 486. As I said, what's your problem?

 

[TurtleDude]

What are you suggesting, that no guns be banned at all?

if it is a firearm, then no, it should not be banned.

 

[TurtleDude]

That really depends on what a person wants in life. I respect that you want to live in america but you should understand that not everyone shares that belief.

It's easy to degrade politicians especially if your an american. But to actually demonstrate the corruption you demand must exist is another thing. Either our politicians are a world above american politicians in the arts of deceit or there just simply is not the corruption your argument depends on existing.

As for moronic law please look at post # 486. As I said, what's your problem?

I find gun bans to be contrary to the natural right of free citizens to be able to defend themselves.

 

[soylentgreen]

looks like typical left wing idiocy-harassing a group of people who generally don't cause problems, so the assholes in office can pretend they did something in order to placate the sheeple

So you did not bother to read it because you fail to point out what is the problem with what was done. The laws are quite fair and can be easily introduced into your country because they do not effect any citizens that own guns but only those who profit from sale or use of guns. Does your second cover those who profit from guns as well?

 

[TurtleDude]

So you did not bother to read it because you fail to point out what is the problem with what was done. The laws are quite fair and can be easily introduced into your country because they do not effect any citizens that own guns but only those who profit from sale or use of guns. Does your second cover those who profit from guns as well?

can you own an AR 15 in your country? can you carry a GLOCK concealed as I do. If you restrict the sale of firearms, you impact those seeking to buy them

 

[Bucky]

can you own an AR 15 in your country? can you carry a GLOCK concealed as I do. If you restrict the sale of firearms, you impact those seeking to buy them

It seems you are a single-issue voter. I think this is a problem with many Americans. Racism, worker's rights climate change, protection for undocumented workers and asylum seekers. All of these issues deserve much-needed attention. Not just guns.

Perhaps you should focus on the entire pie instead of just one slice. It could put things in perspective.

 

[TurtleDude]

It seems you are a single-issue voter. I think this is a problem with many Americans. Racism, worker's rights climate change, protection for undocumented workers and asylum seekers. All of these issues deserve much-needed attention. Not just guns.

Perhaps you should focus on the entire pie instead of just one slice. It could put things in perspective.

I think your argument is bullshit and you haven't a clue. Maybe you should stop trying to tell others what they think and what issues are important to them.

 

[Bucky]

I think your argument is bullshit and you haven't a clue. Maybe you should stop trying to tell others what they think and what issues are important to them.

At least the good guys are back in power. Enjoy the ride. Only good things will happen.

 

[lurchadams]

What percent of the population wants to take away shotguns and deer rifles?

Anybody know?

I bet it's like 5% of the population.

I think hunting is a great sport. You just don't need a automatic assault rifle to do that.

(the next thing that is going to happen to me is some gun nut is going to try to get me to define an "assault rifle". So let me just say a pre-emptive, "quit being an obtuse ninny, you know what I'm talking about, Cleetus!".)

 

[Killer Clouds]

I think hunting is a great sport. You just don't need a automatic assault rifle to do that.

(the next thing that is going to happen to me is some gun nut is going to try to get me to define an "assault rifle". So let me just say a pre-emptive, "quit being an obtuse ninny, you know what I'm talking about, Cleetus!".)

You do understand "need" has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment? Do you also understand the Bill of Rights is not rights the government gives to us but is a prohibition on rights the government can't take away from us.

 

[lurchadams]

You do understand "need" has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment? Do you also understand the Bill of Rights is not rights the government gives to us but is a prohibition on rights the government can't take away from us.

<have my hand in the air imitating a mouth moving>