What Mass Deportation Would Cost

[Napoleon]

deportation

www.law.cornell.edu

If a judge rules that the deportation proceeds, the receiving country of the person being deported must agree to accept them and issue travel documents before the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement can carry out the removal order.

Are you accusing Biden of violating the law?

 

[Plasmaball]

Are you accusing Biden of violating the law?

I'm showing you the law.

 

[ClaraD]

I'm showing you the law.

His fantasy destroyed and he doesn’t understand what the law is or why we have to follow it.

 

[ClaraD]

I have to wonder why it is that Trumpers hate so much they are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face? The proper response is immigration reform and then tough penalties for EMPLOYERS who violate the law after reform happens...yes, that means legalizing people here without a criminal record, in the millions...but these people have been here over a decade in most cases and in some cases 2 decades or more....and they have citizen families...it is not to our benefit to deport people like this. It is counterproductive, in fact. We can do both things at once...people won't come, if there aren't any jobs that they can obtain....if they don't come, you don't have the present issue...and then we attract them via immigration laws that are to our economic benefit...and thousands of tech visas aren't always what benefits us...sometimes we need to produce those tech people inside the US and attract labor in areas that we cannot fill...like restaurants, domestic, construction, farm sectors...and deal with asylum in a productive and efficient manner...something immigration has NEVER done. I mean how long does it take to look at an application and determine if it is valid or not? We need more immigration judges, more tech to assist agents...we don't really need more agents as we cannot fill those positions now. We need an independent group that looks at agents to make sure they aren't corrupt, not abusing detainees, etc. We need to take control of private prisons and hand it back to the government...the most abuse has occurred in these private prisons and costs more overall than having government controlled facilities.

 

[Cope]

$88 billion annually to deport one million people a year. Deport more people per year and the costs accelerate accordingly.

The costs incurred are multifaceted.... affecting numerous and varrying sectors of the economy.

Unemployment is very low and foreign labor is baked into the American economy.

Wrong.

The costs to deport them all in a single year 315 B. Read the cite provided by very person arguing it costs 88 b per year, when the cite clearly calls out a lower (much lower) cost if they do it all the first year

IE ... NOT accelerated

The rest of the stuff you mention is all supposition READ: Opinion

 

[ClaraD]

Wrong.

The costs to deport them all in a single year 315 B. Read the cite provided by very person arguing it costs 88 b per year, when the cite clearly calls out a lower (much lower) cost if they do it all the first year

IE ... NOT accelerated

The rest of the stuff you mention is all supposition READ: Opinion

That isn't what it says...it says AT LEAST....and that is only the operation, not the detention, not the court costs, not the economic cost and they don't believe that it realistically can be done in a year....so, no, that isn't the cost...
You don't know what goes into such an operation...not to mention where are you going to hold 11 million people?

 

[Cope]

That isn't what it says...it says AT LEAST....and that is only the operation, not the detention, not the court costs, not the economic cost and they don't believe that it realistically can be done in a year....so, no, that isn't the cost...
You don't know what goes into such an operation...not to mention where are you going to hold 11 million people?

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A one-time operation to deport these immigrants would cost at least $315 billion, broken down as follows:

• The government would have to spend $89.3 billion to conduct sufficient arrests.
• The government would have to spend $167.8 billion to detain immigrants en masse.
• The government would have to spend $34.1 billion on legal processing.
• The government would have to spend $24.1 billion on removals."

You are swimming upstream against the SOURCE that your cite used, as gospel.

You don't know either, which is why you used the source you used. So do THEY know or do they NOT know?

If they don't know either, maybe they shouldn't be used as a source eh?

 

[ClaraD]

"
A one-time operation to deport these immigrants would cost at least $315 billion, broken down as follows:

• The government would have to spend $89.3 billion to conduct sufficient arrests.
• The government would have to spend $167.8 billion to detain immigrants en masse.
• The government would have to spend $34.1 billion on legal processing.
• The government would have to spend $24.1 billion on removals."

You are swimming upstream against the SOURCE that your cite used, as gospel.

You don't know either, which is why you used the source you used. So do THEY know or do they NOT know?

If they don't know either, maybe they shouldn't be used as a source eh?

No where does the link I provided you say that...in fact, it says it does not include costs other than the initial operation....and guess what....you have to figure out what to do with people when the other country won't take them or you have no formal agreements with them...the source I used isn't me...I provided a link...one you did not read.

 

[ClaraD]

Here let me spell it out for you...how much prison space do we need for 11 million people? Right now we are over capacity...so, are you going to build all these facilities? What will it cost?

We wish to emphasize that this figure is a highly conservative estimate. It does not take into account the long-term costs of a sustained mass deportation operation or the incalculable additional costs necessary to acquire the institutional capacity to remove over 13 million people in a short period of time—incalculable because there is simply no reality in which such a singular operation is possible.

 

[Cope]

No where does the link I provided you say that...in fact, it says it does not include costs other than the initial operation....and guess what....you have to figure out what to do with people when the other country won't take them or you have no formal agreements with them...the source I used isn't me...I provided a link...one you did not read.

Not the link, the SOURCE your link used.

As I said, if it's INCALCULABLE, why post the drivel?

 

[ClaraD]

Not the link, the SOURCE your link used.

As I said, if it's INCALCULABLE, why post the drivel?

its incalculable...they addressed it, because they knew someone like you would come along and bitch about it not being written.

 

[Rogue Valley]

"
A one-time operation to deport these immigrants would cost at least $315 billion, broken down as follows:

• The government would have to spend $89.3 billion to conduct sufficient arrests.
• The government would have to spend $167.8 billion to detain immigrants en masse.
• The government would have to spend $34.1 billion on legal processing.
• The government would have to spend $24.1 billion on removals."

You are swimming upstream against the SOURCE that your cite used, as gospel.

You don't know either, which is why you used the source you used. So do THEY know or do they NOT know?

If they don't know either, maybe they shouldn't be used as a source eh?

From the OP.....

• The American Immigration Council estimated that it could cost $88 billion annually to deport one million people a year. The removal of millions of construction, hospitality and agriculture workers could reduce the U.S. gross domestic product by $1.7 trillion.

• The average stay as they await deportation is 46 days. One deportation flight can cost $250,000, and that assumes the home country will accept them. Many, like Cuba and Venezuela, rarely do.

• ICE currently has around 6,000 law enforcement officers in its deportation branch. It would require a massive increase in manpower to arrest and deport a million people a year, Houser said. "You're talking 100,000 official officers, police officers, detention officers, support staff, management staff," he said.[/QUOTE

Mass deportation would come with hefty bill, require more manpower, immigration experts say

Bankrolling mass deportation would be costly. It would also require a lot more manpower.

www.cbsnews.com

The True, Massive Cost of Trump’s Mass Deportation Plans

Along with immense human suffering, deporting millions of people could cost billions and damage the economy, according to several recent analyses.

www.themarshallproject.org

Mass deportation of millions of migrants under Trump would cost billions

The party platform for this week’s Republican convention promises the “largest deportation effort” in U.S. history if Trump wins. But the costs would be “astronomical,” one expert said.

www.nbcnews.com

The cost of Trump’s mass deportation plan: More than 10 times immigration’s budget and a possible recession

The former president has promised to expel millions of undocumented immigrants, but data indicates that the operation would have a devastating impact on the economy

english.elpais.com

 

[ClaraD]

From the OP.....

The True, Massive Cost of Trump’s Mass Deportation Plans

Along with immense human suffering, deporting millions of people could cost billions and damage the economy, according to several recent analyses.

www.themarshallproject.org

Mass deportation of millions of migrants under Trump would cost billions

The party platform for this week’s Republican convention promises the “largest deportation effort” in U.S. history if Trump wins. But the costs would be “astronomical,” one expert said.

www.nbcnews.com

The cost of Trump’s mass deportation plan: More than 10 times immigration’s budget and a possible recession

The former president has promised to expel millions of undocumented immigrants, but data indicates that the operation would have a devastating impact on the economy

english.elpais.com

He decided to use numbers he didn't back up with a link, because he knows the source is junk or he made it up and decided to do his own breakdown...which is standard for Cope.

 

[Cope]

From the OP.....

The True, Massive Cost of Trump’s Mass Deportation Plans

Along with immense human suffering, deporting millions of people could cost billions and damage the economy, according to several recent analyses.

www.themarshallproject.org

Mass deportation of millions of migrants under Trump would cost billions

The party platform for this week’s Republican convention promises the “largest deportation effort” in U.S. history if Trump wins. But the costs would be “astronomical,” one expert said.

www.nbcnews.com

The cost of Trump’s mass deportation plan: More than 10 times immigration’s budget and a possible recession

The former president has promised to expel millions of undocumented immigrants, but data indicates that the operation would have a devastating impact on the economy

english.elpais.com

I quoted the SOURCE the OP used in the article ...

 

[Cope]

He decided to use numbers he didn't back up with a link, because he knows the source is junk or he made it up and decided to do his own breakdown...which is standard for Cope.

Umm, it was linked prior by the last guy you tried to gaslight. Which is standard for the knee jerk postings of @ClaraD

I guess I will need to post it in every response ... @Rogue Valley

Mass Deportation - American Immigration Council

The mass deportation of millions of undocumented individuals would be tremendously expensive and would have a catastrophic impact on our economy—one that would be expansive and impact every American. The American Immigration Council analyzes the fiscal costs and economic impacts of such a mass...

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

THAT is the source for the OP's 'link'

 

[Rogue Valley]

I guess I will need to post it in every response ... @Rogue Valley

You haven't addressed any of the costs... to our treasury, to our economy, to our workforce sectors, or to our tradition as a nation composed of immigrants.

What about the abandoned homes and the abandoned farmlands? What happens to the companies who lose 80% of their workforce overnight?

Where is all the money required to cover incurred operational costs and incurred economic losses coming from? Trump's global tariffs? Increased taxes?

The Largest Mass Deportation in American History | HISTORY

Up to 1.3 million people may have been swept up in the campaign.

www.history.com

 

[BabaVoss]

The proper response is immigration reform and then tough penalties for EMPLOYERS who violate the law after reform happens...

Yes! But there should be tough penalties for EMPLOYERS now - the ones who HAVE ALREADY violated the law by hiring illegal immigrants.

yes, that means legalizing people here without a criminal record, in the millions...but these people have been here over a decade in most cases and in some cases 2 decades or more....and they have citizen families...it is not to our benefit to deport people like this. It is counterproductive, in fact.

It is in no one’s best interests.

We can do both things at once...people won't come, if there aren't any jobs that they can obtain....if they don't come, you don't have the present issue...

EXACTLY.

We’ve been trying to deal with this all wrong. Playing whackamole and pretending we can seal up and isolate our country while dangling money and opportunity for people who have nothing or are facing incredible dangers in their home country. It makes zero sense and will never ever work.

 

[Cope]

You haven't addressed any of the costs... to our treasury, to our economy, to our workforce sectors, or to our tradition as a nation composed of immigrants.

Why would I? I'm not the expert, the experts were the SOURCE for the OP.

What about the abandoned homes and the abandoned farmlands? What happens to the companies who lose 80% of their workforce overnight?

What about them? Perhaps you could toss out some bogus number but what good is that?

Where is all the money required to cover incurred operational costs and incurred economic losses coming from? Trump's global tariffs? Increased taxes?

What about the increased costs of housing, feeding, and caring for them HERE, NOW.

When you view only one side of an equation it makes any sort of rational calculation between the two impossible.

But the bottom line here is: Don't post shit that you want to HOLD dear and true, while at the same time, toss away the OTHER stuff from the same source.

That's tribal and partisan.

It's also nonsense.

 

[Rogue Valley]

What about the increased costs of housing, feeding, and caring for them HERE, NOW.

Our economy is doing very. Employment is high and unemployment is low. Inflation is an ideal 2.3%. GDP is expanding and the stock markets are booming.

The Fed’s recent decision lowers interest rates to about 4.9 percent, down from a more than two-decade high. The US has engineered a "soft economic landing" after the crippling COVID pandemic.

Economically, we are the envy of the world. I see no pressing need to strip ourselves of much needed labor, and certainly not in the cavalier manner currently proposed by Donald Trump.

Trump's record of financial accomplishment is non-existant. His companies and foundations are laced with fraud, forfeiture, and bankruptcy.

No thanks. Count me out on any Trump half-baked-masssive-deportation-scheme.

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

The American Immigration Council estimated that it could cost $88 billion annually to deport one million people a year. The removal of millions of construction, hospitality and agriculture workers could reduce the U.S. gross domestic product by $1.7 trillion.


So we reduce the US gross domestic product meaning our economy shrinks by a huge amount and we are going to spend what $880 billion to deport people that want to work? This doesn't make sense....and it still will not remove everyone...and that doesn't even touch what it will cost us in foster care, lost taxes (US citizens that will leave with their spouses or remain single and pay less taxes, or the welfare that the parentless children will receive, because they are citizens). Yeah, so much hate that some are willing to sink the country instead of actually coming to a bipartisan plan on immigration reform.

Mass deportation would come with hefty bill, require more manpower, immigration experts say

Bankrolling mass deportation would be costly. It would also require a lot more manpower.

www.cbsnews.com

Everybody except the MAGA faithful knows that mass deportation will not happen. Even the Orange Idiot knows this. His rich Republican donors won't let him do it. They want the cheap labor.

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

I have to wonder why it is that Trumpers hate so much they are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face? The proper response is immigration reform and then tough penalties for EMPLOYERS who violate the law after reform happens...yes, that means legalizing people here without a criminal record, in the millions...but these people have been here over a decade in most cases and in some cases 2 decades or more....and they have citizen families...it is not to our benefit to deport people like this. It is counterproductive, in fact. We can do both things at once...people won't come, if there aren't any jobs that they can obtain....if they don't come, you don't have the present issue...and then we attract them via immigration laws that are to our economic benefit...and thousands of tech visas aren't always what benefits us...sometimes we need to produce those tech people inside the US and attract labor in areas that we cannot fill...like restaurants, domestic, construction, farm sectors...and deal with asylum in a productive and efficient manner...something immigration has NEVER done. I mean how long does it take to look at an application and determine if it is valid or not? We need more immigration judges, more tech to assist agents...we don't really need more agents as we cannot fill those positions now. We need an independent group that looks at agents to make sure they aren't corrupt, not abusing detainees, etc. We need to take control of private prisons and hand it back to the government...the most abuse has occurred in these private prisons and costs more overall than having government controlled facilities.

For some of them it's hate. For some of them it's ignorance. For most of them it's both.

 

[Cope]

Our economy is doing very. Employment is high and unemployment is low. Inflation is an ideal 2.3%. GDP is expanding and the stock markets are booming.

Which doesn't answer anything, its a platitude that has no informative value to be be placed VS the other side.

The Fed’s recent decision lowers interest rates to about 4.9 percent, down from a more than two-decade high. The US has engineered a "soft economic landing" after the crippling COVID pandemic.

Economically, we are the envy of the world. I see no pressing need to strip ourselves of much needed labor, and certainly not in the cavalier manner currently proposed by Donald Trump.

Trump's record of financial accomplishment is non-existant. His companies and foundations are laced with fraud, forfeiture, and bankruptcy.

No thanks. Count me out on any Trump half-baked-masssive-deportation-scheme.

Again, none of this has any informative value to have a discussion around the costs of deportation.

 

[ClaraD]

Umm, it was linked prior by the last guy you tried to gaslight. Which is standard for the knee jerk postings of @ClaraD

I guess I will need to post it in every response ... @Rogue Valley

Mass Deportation - American Immigration Council

The mass deportation of millions of undocumented individuals would be tremendously expensive and would have a catastrophic impact on our economy—one that would be expansive and impact every American. The American Immigration Council analyzes the fiscal costs and economic impacts of such a mass...

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

THAT is the source for the OP's 'link'

1.7 trillion dollar loss in GDP...did you somehow forget that? Do you understand what GDP is?

 

[ClaraD]

Why would I? I'm not the expert, the experts were the SOURCE for the OP.


What about the increased costs of housing, feeding, and caring for them HERE, NOW.


It's also nonsense.

You aren't the expert, yet here you are trying to claim something is true, that isn't.
Also, where do you get the idea that we are housing, feeding and caring for 11 million undocumented immigrants? 1 million of them own their own businesses, the majority of them have been here for a decade or longer and have raised families here. Why the **** are you lying and claiming we are housing, feeding and caring for them when that is a provable ****ing lie?
I would bet money that a good portion of this board is on social security....we pay for them, their food, clothing and housing....we aren't paying for undocumented immigrants...they are paying for us.