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What is your take on Populism

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Im curious to what people here think of Populism. Is is liberal, conservative, Universal? I saw on Lou Dobbs today that apparently McCain is trying to deliver a Populist-type message to voters so I figured I ask what the general consensus of the Populist ideal is around here.


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all politicians try to deliver populist messages in some way. it's usually hooey. in McCain's case, definitely.

populism, imo, is basically when politicians work against their own interests. the ruling class are all elites. they must be, in order to get that far. and if they aren't elite when they get in there, they will be, soon enough. don't want an elite as your elected representative? uh, keep dreaming.

a populist would deny something like corporate lobby influence and be interested in making it easier for, say, joe schmoe to start a business and compete against a corporate chain.

it's not a liberal or a conservative thing. it's an elites-versus-the-masses kind of a thing. elites make up a tiny percentage. the masses are every one else. but the interests of the masses are very well represented and permeate washington culture. the interests of the masses? not so much.

there's a very good book called "The Irony of Democracy" that I highly recommend. it looks at the entire history of politics in the US, and speaks about it in terms of elites and masses, not left or right or anything else.

the Civil War happened because the elites were in disagreement. at every other time in our history, the elites have had consensus. elite interests are in consensus, currently. only social issues are disputed.

the masses don't tend to see it this way. if they did, the wealth divide would certainly be less vast.
 
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I don't think it's limited to any specific political ideology. The typical calls for populist nonsense - such as protectionism, anti-immigration, homophobia, diplomatic isolationism, etc - typically come from the more uneducated citizens on both sides of the aisle.
 
There was a Populist Party here in the US, which was basically a farmers party that advocated things like govt-controlled RR's, telegraphs, etc. They won a lot of state elections in the 19th century, but were often denied taking seats by eilitist interests in the courts. There was actually an insurrection in Kansas, in which the State Legislature was seized, at gunpoint, by them. Ultimately, it fell apart on the race issue and the inability to connect it's Western base with the South.

Today, Populism seems like anytime a politician starts bull******** to some group, like Kandahar said. Rarely do they intend on doing anything they promise.
 
"Politics is the art of preventing people from taking part in affairs which properly concern them." - Paul Valery
 
A message and actions are two completely different things!

Read My lips No new Taxes..............

I did Not have Sexual relations with that woman........


But you have to realize that these politicians have been lying to the
American voters for decades and they know some tricks work better
than others.
 
what the general consensus of the Populist ideal is around here.

One of many rhetorical methods used to gain power.

It is less fearful in the U.S. beause of our education/average income (not stellar, but not bad). Countries making the shift into a more industrialized/capitalistic nation have a lot more to fear I'd guess.

What happens in practice I'd bet, historically, is that the power that is gained from populism is specifically put into action by, and possibly creates, it's own "elite" which then abuses the power to serve their own ends. Chavez. Populism and uses the power to nationalize. I mean, what better example in recent history do we have.

IMO it's a bit of a fallacy to support empowering the non-elites (contradictory), it should be about creating opportunity for becoming elite, increasing the overall prosperity (and thus the number of elites) and restricting the power of the elite to areas that benefit the society more so than solely the elite. To me that is the ethical compromise of power that helped build modern nations.

-Mach
 
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One of many rhetorical methods used to gain power.

It is less fearful in the U.S. beause of our education/average income (not stellar, but not bad). Countries making the shift into a more industrialized/capitalistic nation have a lot more to fear I'd guess.

What happens in practice I'd bet, historically, is that the power that is gained from populism is specifically put into action by, and possibly creates, it's own "elite" which then abuses the power to serve their own ends. Chavez. Populism and uses the power to nationalize. I mean, what better example in recent history do we have.

IMO it's a bit of a fallacy to support empowering the non-elites (contradictory), it should be about creating opportunity for becoming elite, increasing the overall prosperity (and thus the number of elites) and restricting the power of the elite to areas that benefit the society more so than solely the elite. To me that is the ethical compromise of power that helped build modern nations.

-Mach

Tarring and feathering a bad politician was a form of populism in the 1800's. Too bad it went out of style. We could sure use it today.:mrgreen:
 
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