What is wrong with the 1619 project?

[Fishking]

Continue giving free money to a billionaire. Really “own the libs”. I’m sure the rich will definitely let you into one of their doomsday bunkers then.

Prager U thanks you for another view of their video. I don't care how much money someone else makes, for the most part. What they make is really not a concern to me, nor does it effect me. I'm not a terrible envious person that liberals tend to be.

 

[pamak]

By the way, for those who think that Americans slaveowners had no reason to feel threatened by the English before 1776 oversimplify things and are not aware of the developments in England at that time

Somerset v Stewart - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Somerset v Stewart (1772) 98 ER 499 (also known as Somersett's case, and v. XX Sommersett v Steuart) is a judgment of the English Court of King's Bench in 1772, relating to the right of an enslaved person on English soil not to be forcibly removed from the country and sent to Jamaica for sale. Lord Mansfield decided that:

The state of slavery is of such a nature that it is incapable of being introduced on any reasons, moral or political, but only by positive law, which preserves its force long after the reasons, occasions, and time itself from whence it was created, is erased from memory. It is so odious, that nothing can be suffered to support it, but positive law. Whatever inconveniences, therefore, may follow from the decision, I cannot say this case is allowed or approved by the law of England; and therefore the black must be discharged.[1]

Saying that the English did not free slaves in versea colonies until 1833 is a classic example of making historical claims based on modern hindsight.

 

[Lisa]

Wait, what? -----v



Also, your trying to shift the goalpost. Want another attempt at calling out a lie, because you've failed here.

Politically it was founded in 1776. The first colony was chartered in 1607.

Slavery didnt begin in the US and it wasn't just in the American colonies in the Americas, but it was a major problem, even when the US Constitution was written. The framers wanted to ban it in 1791, but they knew that the southern states would refuse to ratify the constitution if they did so that problem was kicked down the road to get the Constitution ratified. Many conservatives still haven't gotten over losing the Civil War, even 150 years later.

 

[Fishking]

Politically it was founded in 1776. The first colony was chartered in 1607.

Slavery didnt begin in the US and it wasn't just in the American colonies in the Americas, but it was a major problem, even when the US Constitution was written. The framers wanted to ban it in 1791, but they knew that the southern states would refuse to ratify the constitution if they did so that problem was kicked down the road to get the Constitution ratified. Many conservatives still haven't gotten over losing the Civil War, even 150 years later.

So you are now agreeing with that part of the Prager U commentary now. Got it. Your attempt to deflect to something else (placed in bold) has been ignored. Want to try calling out another lie again or....?

 

[Geoist]

You could just see your way out of the thread, since you're not going to actually contribute anything except your ignorance.

Says the guy who gets his info from PragerU. I bet you think it's an actual university, too.

Open a history book. Read articles about what happens in countries with weak governments.

So if you lived in a country with a weak government you'd be raping women? Because that is what Dennis Prager said he'd do. Wait... conservatives want weaker government. Oh damn, now we understand why.

A simplification of the position that has some problems but is also hilariously devoid of acknowledgement of reality if you think you've never had sex when your partner wasn't in the mood. I even did the same when we were trying to conceive in my marriage. I also do so many things that I absolutely dislike because I know that is part of marriage. There are problems with this position, for sure, but only divorcement from reality says it's batshit crazy and the problems caused by an unfulfilled sex life is very real.

What is batshit crazy is how Dennis Prager thinks it is his position to lecture women on their 'wifely duties'. He can **** right off (and this is coming from a married man of 8 years).

Misleading comment that is either due to ignorance on your part or willful deception. It's not that it's a myth thing heterosexuals can get AIDS. It's the myth that it would be a significant risk factor among heterosexuals, as if it was going to be an epidemic when that isn't the case.

The great majority of American Indians understandably just don't care. Like heterosexual AIDS and so many other crises, this has been entirely manufactured by the Left. - Dennis Prager

Even the natural sciences are increasingly subject to being rendered a means to a “progressive” end. There was the pseudo-threat of heterosexual AIDS in America -- science manipulated in order to de-stigmatize AIDS as primarily a gay man’s disease and to increase funding for AIDS research. - Dennis Prager

Looks like you failed pretty miserably.

Well that last sentence didn't age well.

 

[Lisa]

So you are now agreeing with that part of the Prager U commentary now. Got it. Your attempt to deflect to something else (placed in bold) has been ignored. Want to try calling out another lie again or....?

No, I am not agreeing with Dennis Prager's many lies.

 

[Fishking]

Says the guy who gets his info from PragerU. I bet you think it's an actual university, too.

Weak ad hominem dismissed.

So if you lived in a country with a weak government you'd be raping women? Because that is what Dennis Prager said he'd do. Wait... conservatives want weaker government. Oh damn, now we understand why.

Another weak ad hominem but also missing the point or, more accurately, dodging the point I made. Open a history book, or look at current regions of the world with weak governments and see what happens there.

What is batshit crazy is how Dennis Prager thinks it is his position to lecture women on their 'wifely duties'. He can **** right off (and this is coming from a married man of 8 years).

You don't have to take the advice but your living in denial if you think your wife hasn't done exactly what he stated.

The great majority of American Indians understandably just don't care. Like heterosexual AIDS and so many other crises, this has been entirely manufactured by the Left. - Dennis Prager

Even the natural sciences are increasingly subject to being rendered a means to a “progressive” end. There was the pseudo-threat of heterosexual AIDS in America -- science manipulated in order to de-stigmatize AIDS as primarily a gay man’s disease and to increase funding for AIDS research. - Dennis Prager

Still missing the point, though now I know it's willful deceit and not ignorance. His position isn't that no hetro can get AIDS. It's that it's a significant threat to heteros when the data shows it's much more prevalent among homosexual males and those who share IV needles. Would you call dying from falling down stairs a "crisis"? No? But people still do die from falling down stairs. That's twice you've been corrected. I expect you to double down on your deceit.

Well that last sentence didn't age well.

If I accepted your dishonesty you'd have a point. Oh, thanks for giving their video another view.

 

[Fishking]

No, I am not agreeing with Dennis Prager's many lies.

You just did. Thanks for that.

 

[Geoist]

Alright now your

Weak ad hominem dismissed.



Another weak ad hominem but also missing the point or, more accurately, dodging the point I made. Open a history book, or look at current regions of the world with weak governments and see what happens there.



You don't have to take the advice but your living in denial if you think your wife hasn't done exactly what he stated.



Still missing the point, though now I know it's willful deceit and not ignorance. His position isn't that no hetro can get AIDS. It's that it's a significant threat to heteros when the data shows it's much more prevalent among homosexual males and those who share IV needles. Would you call dying from falling down stairs a "crisis"? No? But people still do die from falling down stairs. That's twice you've been corrected. I expect you to double down on your deceit.



If I accepted your dishonesty you'd have a point. Oh, thanks for giving their video another view.

Jesus Christ, judging from how weak and boring your arguments are you really are a student of PragerU. Heading to bed. Got work in the morning.

 

[Lisa]

You just did. Thanks for that.

I didnt watch the video past the first minute, so how can I agree with him?

 

[Questerr]

Prager U thanks you for another view of their video. I don't care how much money someone else makes, for the most part. What they make is really not a concern to me, nor does it effect me. I'm not a terrible envious person that liberals tend to be.

Unless that someone is Hunter Biden, right?

 

[Fishking]

Alright now your


Jesus Christ, judging from how weak and boring your arguments are you really are a student of PragerU. Heading to bed. Got work in the morning.

You say they are weak but you don't actually show how they are weak. I actually demonstrate where you're wrong with specifics. Empty hot air, as expected.

 

[Fishking]

I didnt watch the video past the first minute, so how can I agree with him?

You just did. You admitted you were wrong in your initial statement in your later statements. You agree that the US did not start in 1619 and that the attempts by the 1619 project to make it such is wrong.

 

[Fishking]

Unless that someone is Hunter Biden, right?

Thanks for giving Prager U another view on their video. Also, I wasn't aware that Dennis Prager is using his dad as a connection for monetary gain and to effect US policy with political favors for foreign companies.

 

[CLAX1911]

PragerU lies.

The host of the video is pointing out both historical and current facts are historical and current facts lies? The Host is also a professor of history an expert are you suggesting he lies?

 

[bullseyelqcs]

No...they were Democrats, and they are still doing Democrat things to this very day, using different methods.

If you would go back and read, you would notice that I never said that they weren't Democrats. I said that they were ideologically conservative, which they were.

Not sure what you were trying to argue here, homie.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

And what would the US look like today if we abolished slavery in the 17th century?

Not really sure, but its pretty much impossible to say that the nation was founded on the premise of all men being created equal when they turned right around and codified that at least some men were only worth 3/5ths what others were AND that they didn't even get to exercise a vote for what that lessened representation would look like.

Its refreshing to see some one basically admit that the ends justified the means when it came to slavery. Kudos for that.

 

[Questerr]

Thanks for giving Prager U another view on their video. Also, I wasn't aware that Dennis Prager is using his dad as a connection for monetary gain and to effect US policy with political favors for foreign companies.

So we’re you lying when you said “I don't care how much money someone else makes, for the most part. What they make is really not a concern to me, nor does it effect me.”?

 

[Jezcoe]

And what would the US look like today if we abolished slavery in the 17th century?

I don't like to do counterfactual history.

But I do think that if slavery was abolished, the free black population would not have been treated well. A good chunk of abolitionists hated slavery... but they also didn't want a bunch of black people around them either.

 

[Jezcoe]

The 1619 project is just another attempt to rewrite history and implement some cancel culture upon the country. The truth is not the objective, the alt truth is. We have seen the left consistently working to change history to something they want to promote.

What history are they altering?

I can understand a criticism of how the 1619 project frames the history... and that is fine... but where do they alter it?

 

[Jezcoe]

The host of the video is pointing out both historical and current facts are historical and current facts lies? The Host is also a professor of history an expert are you suggesting he lies?

I think that he is leaving out a bunch of material to make his point.

The issue of slavery was perhaps the most important issue from the founding of the nation to the civil war.

So maybe a lie of omission.

 

[CLAX1911]

I think that he is leaving out a bunch of material to make his point.

The issue of slavery was perhaps the most important issue from the founding of the nation to the civil war.

So maybe a lie of omission.

Disagree, it wasn't really relevant until the abolitionist movement and the civil war.

 

[Jezcoe]

Disagree, it wasn't really relevant until the abolitionist movement and the civil war.

One cannot leave out the first part of the 1800’s. I mean I guess you can, but then you would be missing out on a lot .... and I mean a lot of stuff.

One can’t even start with the Missouri Compromise to show how important an issue it was.... you would still be able to go back further and further because it was an issue that was woven into the very fabric of the Nation.

 

[Acadia]

Our country was built on the backs, blood and sweat of slaves. My ancestors, a boat builder and his wife, along with John Rolfe, arrived at the same port 9 years earlier on the Sea Venture and had a much different life but both relied on the labor of slaves to establish their wealth.

It's a shameful history.

No, it wasn't. Impossible. How many slave do. you think came to North America????
Nearly HALF of the 102 Pilgrims who arrived on the Mayflower died over the first winter because conditions in America were BRUTAL. And it didn't get much better for a very long time. So the notion that whites didn't sacrifice, suffer and die is the stuff of 1619 utter delusion.

 

[Rucker61]

I don't like to do counterfactual history.

But I do think that if slavery was abolished, the free black population would not have been treated well. A good chunk of abolitionists hated slavery... but they also didn't want a bunch of black people around them either.

We wouldn't have much of a free Black population, nor would we have purchased the Louisiana Purchase. No westward expansion, and a giant Spanish neighbor to our west. The US might not even exist.