What is toxic masculinity?

[j brown's body]

Only if you have no idea what masculinity is.

Is the description inaccurate?

 

[bongsaway]

So you despise masculinity? Why?

Did I say that? No.

 

[bongsaway]

So wouldn't that be toxic lack of masculinity how is it masculine to not have any and harm yourself to get it?

Your side are the ones talking about how the left is taking away their masculinity.

 

[CLAX1911]

Your side are the ones talking about how the left is taking away their masculinity.

What side there are sides on this subject? Or is it that your mind is so entirely consumed with politics that you can't conceive of anything else?

Touch some grass.

 

[CLAX1911]

Did I say that? No.

Not in so many words but I gather that from your statement.

Was I wrong if so how?

 

[CLAX1911]

Is the description inaccurate?

I'm still puzzled as to why you're linking toxicity to masculinity.

In your view is there a such thing as toxic femininity?

 

[CLAX1911]

Women don't hesitate to report sexual abuse because they are masculine,

No it's not that there's masculinity it's that they're taken seriously.

they hesitate to report it because our oatriarchal soviety diesbt realky give a shut so its a hassle, or they fear they wont be believed (overreacting, imagining things, etc).

In my experience talking to women who's dealt with this they don't report it because they're embarrassed.

 

[CLAX1911]

Most toxic masculinity harms men.

Like what give me an example and explain why it's masculine.

The idea of not complaining or over reacting results in men not getting help when they need it, either medical or psychological.

Men not getting the help they need is not because of some failure of masculinity it's because the only advice they get doesn't really work.

It also results in men not having the type of relationships they want with they people they care about (spouse/children etc).

How is this masculinity?

Male dominated spaces like the military have had to tackle for a long time the fact men wont ask for help. It's not a good thing and it is part of what makes men live shorter lives than women.

Asking for help is useless because the people you ask don't know how. Or they follow a standard procedure that works sometimes.

 

[bongsaway]

What side there are sides on this subject? Or is it that your mind is so entirely consumed with politics that you can't conceive of anything else?

Touch some grass.

Yes and your side are the knuckle-dragging type who thinks fighting is a show of strength in some twisted way. The only grass I touch is the kind I can smoke,.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yes and your side are the knuckle-dragging type who thinks fighting is a show of strength in some twisted way.

That's not what I think. So when you say my side what the hell are you talking about?

The only grass I touch is the kind I can smoke,.

That's probably part of the problem. Getting stoned in oding on Twitter is probably what led you into this dark pit of despair.

You have my sympathy a way to get out of this is start a physical fitness program.

 

[Ouroboros]

What specifically, do you object to?

LIke I said, that the author didn't advance a fair and balanced definition of masculinity.

If you ask again, you're a sealion.

 

[Ouroboros]

Women don't hesitate to report sexual abuse because they are masculine, they hesitate to report it because our oatriarchal soviety diesbt realky give a shut so its a hassle, or they fear they wont be believed (overreacting, imagining things, etc).

Your interpretation of female motivations is irrelevant. The issue is that the writer of the essay made a stupid and contrived definition of masculinity, of which the nonsense about "men don't like to talk about abuse" is the stupidest part.

 

[bongsaway]

That's not what I think. So when you say my side what the hell are you talking about?

That's probably part of the problem. Getting stoned in oding on Twitter is probably what led you into this dark pit of despair.

You have my sympathy a way to get out of this is start a physical fitness program.

I don't get stoned and oding on Twitter, whatever that is and I am by far not in a pit of deep despair. As a matter of fact in a couple of weeks going on vacation with many of my first cousins, rented a beach front home on Hilton head island, I can barely deal with the despair.

 

[CLAX1911]

I don't get stoned and oding on Twitter, whatever that is and I am by far not in a pit of deep despair.

Then why is everyone sides to you like everyone you don't agree with is out to get you? That's a symptom

As a matter of fact in a couple of weeks going on vacation with many of my first cousins, rented a beach front home on Hilton head island, I can barely deal with the despair.

Maybe drop the extreme tribalism then.

 

[bongsaway]

Then why is everyone sides to you like everyone you don't agree with is out to get you? That's a symptom

Maybe drop the extreme tribalism then.

I'm not forcing you to read my posts. Everyone sides to me? Nobody is out to get me, that's you projecting.

 

[reinaert]

Why would you have yourself to become masculine if you were already masculine?

"Masculine" is not inherited from birth. I think your essentialism is obscuring this for you.

 

[CLAX1911]

"Masculine" is not inherited from birth. I think your essentialism is obscuring this for you.

Is it inherited at first I'm not sure I mean we're not going to see an infant displaying masculinity but then again we're not going to see them displaying left-handedness either so it's hard to know how much of it is a component of genetics and a component of socializing.

I don't buy that it's entirely performative and entirely something learned because who was the first person that thought of it and why? By not paying it I think there's components of it and femininity for that matter that are inherent for survival but I'm thinking it's more of an evolutionary thing as well as a social thing there are components of both involved

 

[j brown's body]

Your interpretation of female motivations is irrelevant. The issue is that the writer of the essay made a stupid and contrived definition of masculinity, of which the nonsense about "men don't like to talk about abuse" is the stupidest part.

OK, so women don't report sex abuse because they're masculine, but men do report it. Is that your argument?

 

[j brown's body]

Why would you have yourself to become masculine if you were already masculine?

My friends and I discussed our different points of view about our attitude toward woomen based on our siblings. Those who grew up with only older brothers only were more likely to look at women more as sex objects than those who grew up with older sisters.

 

[j brown's body]

Toxic masculinity is a cultural ideal popularized by Donald Trump: loud, rude, insensitive, insulting, bullying, greedy, proudly ignorant,… it’s all the rage these days.

After all, you don’t wanna be like those sissy weakling libs now, do you: all considerate, tolerant, kind, nerdy and bookish,…?

Interesting metaphor. Compared to a dad prepared to use violence, against a female no less, to solve problems

Tucker Carlson compares Trump to angry dad 'spanking' a 'bad little girl' at rally

 

[Ouroboros]

Masculinity: The “sheriff” in an old western movie

Toxic masculinity: the “bad guy” from that same movie.



They display many of the same characteristics - even the big hats.

But the intent, the content of their character, the outcome of their actions, and the motivation behind their words and actions are 180 degree different.

Anyone can be strong, anyone can wield a weapon, anyone can get power.

It is what a person DOES with those things and the content of their character that makes the difference.

So far neither of the definitions I've addressed here have said Word One about masculinity having any connotations of protecting family or community.

Why might that be so?

 

[Ouroboros]

No it's not that there's masculinity it's that they're taken seriously.

In my experience talking to women who's dealt with this they don't report it because they're embarrassed.

And women being embarrassed at having suffered abuse just MIGHT be similar to why men might show embarrassment-- not because men are super-attached to their illusions of invincibility, as the Stupid Definition claims.

 

[Ouroboros]

OK, so women don't report sex abuse because they're masculine, but men do report it. Is that your argument?

Rather than respond to your straw man, I'll direct you to post 72 for what I'm actually saying.

 

[BirdinHand]

So far neither of the definitions I've addressed here have said Word One about masculinity having any connotations of protecting family or community.

Why might that be so?

What, exactly, was the role of a “sheriff” in those old western movies? Was it not protecting a community?

 

[CLAX1911]

My friends and I discussed our different points of view about our attitude toward woomen based on our siblings. Those who grew up with only older brothers only were more likely to look at women more as sex objects than those who grew up with older sisters.

Now do the same thing with men.