What Is The Worst Legacy Of U.S. Conservatism? And Liberalism?

[Cameron]

What is the worst legacy or principle/policy/event that conservatives supported? And liberals?

I'm only talking about american conservatism and liberalism here. I'm not interested in what socialists/communists or fascists have done in other countries.

I've purposely not used the labels Republicans and Democrats, because the conservatives and liberals have flipped party affiliation in recent history.

 

[calamity]

What is the worst legacy or principle/policy/event that conservatives supported? And liberals?

I'm only talking about american conservatism and liberalism here. I'm not interested in what socialists/communists or fascists have done in other countries.

I've purposely not used the labels Republicans and Democrats, because the conservatives and liberals have flipped party affiliation in recent history.

Neo Cons attacking the wrong country in 2003 would be the worst move of the Conservatives.

United States–led inspections later found that Iraq had earlier ceased active WMD production and stockpiling; the war was called by many, including 2008 Republican presidential nominee John McCain, a "mistake".

Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia

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Tenement high rises built in the 60-70's warehousing African Americans in places like Chicago would be the biggest liberal mistake.

at one point 95 percent of the housing development's 27,000 residents were unemployed and listed public assistance as their only income source,[8] and 40 percent of the households were single-parent, female-headed households earning less than $5,000 per year. About 96 percent were African-American. The drab, concrete high-rises, many blackened with the scars of arson fire, sat in a narrow stretch of slum.

Robert Taylor Homes - Wikipedia

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[Cameron]

Neo Cons attacking the wrong country in 2003 would be the worst move of the Conservatives.

Worse than slavery/segregation/etc.?

 

[Jetboogieman]

You know what the worst legacy of liberalism in America is?

Cowardice.

Meandering away from positions because they're too afraid of being called communists, marxists and socialists by troglodytes who'd vote for Hitler as long as he promised to make sure the rich never pay a penny more in taxes, that Healthcare and food is taken away from as many poor people as possible and that kids continued to get gunned down in schools.

Campaign finance, Healthcare, paid maternity leave, you name the ****ing issue and Democrats are too afraid to stand by a position anything left of center when it comes right down to it for fear of what people might say who'd never vote for them anyway...

And although most Americans are more progressive than any of the troglodyte, economic anarchist "libertarian" fake Conservatives on this board give them credit for, their vote is depressed in every mid term because after 2 years of a Democratic White House, House and Senate they think Gee Whiz, why should I ****ing bother?

 

[j brown's body]

Reaganomics for conservatives. Welfare reform for liberals. If you count Clinton as a liberal.

Maybe Plessy v Ferguson for conservatives.

 

[Jredbaron96]

For liberalism, us.

For conservatism, them.

 

[Chomsky]

What is the worst legacy or principle/policy/event that conservatives supported? And liberals?

I'm only talking about american conservatism and liberalism here. I'm not interested in what socialists/communists or fascists have done in other countries.

I've purposely not used the labels Republicans and Democrats, because the conservatives and liberals have flipped party affiliation in recent history.

The worst legacies?

Conservatives = Trickle Down Economics

Liberals = Political Correctness

 

[Chomsky]

Reaganomics for conservatives. Welfare reform for liberals. If you count Clinton as a liberal.

Maybe Plessy v Ferguson for conservatives.

Yep, Trickle Down is the worst. Well, that and The War on Drugs. Both are Reagan Era ideologies. He was a great guy, a half-way decent Prez, but instated several of the worst policies the country has ever seen!

 

[Evilroddy]

@Cameron

The worst mistake of liberals/progressives is thinking that government-run programmes can fix all societal problems. The worst mistake of conservatives is thinking that the market or private charity can fix all societal issues.
The worst mistake of bipartisan American politics is its reliance on militarism and war/conflict to advance American political and economic interests internationally, thus bankrupting America.
The worst mistake of the US electorate is that it keeps electing leaders who subscribe to the mistakes listed above.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[OrphanSlug]

What is the worst legacy or principle/policy/event that conservatives supported? And liberals?

I'm only talking about american conservatism and liberalism here. I'm not interested in what socialists/communists or fascists have done in other countries.

I've purposely not used the labels Republicans and Democrats, because the conservatives and liberals have flipped party affiliation in recent history.

The answer is the same for both conservatives and liberals... extremism.

When the right goes too far we end up with incitement and resulting violence up to and including attempts to overthrow Congress, when the left goes too far we end up with nonsense like “silence is violence but riots are not“ and cities on fire in chaos.

The social and economic fabric of the nation was never... repeat never... destroyed by moderate level headed solution oriented Independents, but it is consistently harmed by extremism either left or right. In some cases, a terrible combination of the two feeding off of each other causing harm to more and more.

Everything else, some policy or legal decision, some initiative or resulting rhetoric, is the result of this.

A symptiom of a larger problem, that being the extreme of some ideology wanting to marginalize everyone else in any way they can fathom. Modern liberalism and modern conservatism are flip sides of the same authoritarian use government as an ends against opposition coin. And we all suffer for it.

 

[Chomsky]

The answer is the same for both conservatives and liberals... extremism.

When the right goes too far we end up with incitement and resulting violence up to and including attempts to overthrow Congress, when the left goes too far we end up with nonsense like “silence is violence but riots are not“ and cities on fire in chaos.

The social and economic fabric of the nation was never... repeat never... destroyed by moderate level headed solution oriented Independents, but it is consistently harmed by extremism either left or right. In some cases, a terrible combination of the two feeding off of each other causing harm to more and more.

Everything else, some policy or legal decision, some initiative or resulting rhetoric, is the result of this.

A symptiom of a larger problem, that being the extreme of some ideology wanting to marginalize everyone else in any way they can fathom. Modern liberalism and modern conservatism are flip sides of the same authoritarian use government as an ends against opposition coin. And we all suffer for it.

I've got to admit, you've laid-out an excellent treatise!

 

[Evilroddy]

The answer is the same for both conservatives and liberals... extremism.

When the right goes too far we end up with incitement and resulting violence up to and including attempts to overthrow Congress, when the left goes too far we end up with nonsense like “silence is violence but riots are not“ and cities on fire in chaos.

The social and economic fabric of the nation was never... repeat never... destroyed by moderate level headed solution oriented Independents, but it is consistently harmed by extremism either left or right. In some cases, a terrible combination of the two feeding off of each other causing harm to more and more.

Everything else, some policy or legal decision, some initiative or resulting rhetoric, is the result of this.

A symptiom of a larger problem, that being the extreme of some ideology wanting to marginalize everyone else in any way they can fathom. Modern liberalism and modern conservatism are flip sides of the same authoritarian use government as an ends against opposition coin. And we all suffer for it.

OrphanSlug:

I could only hit the like button once but this post is excellent. So:

Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like!

Hear, hear! Well said, sir!

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[RF667799]

Yep, Trickle Down is the worst. Well, that and The War on Drugs. Both are Reagan Era ideologies. He was a great guy, a half-way decent Prez, but instated several of the worst policies the country has ever seen!

I liked ol' Reagan because he invaded Grenada and I got to spend 6 months in the Caribbean. Missed out on an entire winter. Selfish of me I know, but I was like 25 years old.

I can't believe I found a thread with three posts in a row to "like."

 

[Chomsky]

I liked ol' Reagan because he invaded Grenada and I got to spend 6 months in the Caribbean. Missed out on an entire winter. Selfish of me I know, but I was like 25 years old.

I can't believe I found a thread with three posts in a row to "like."

Then here's one back!

*clicks like icon*

 

[reinoe]

What is the worst legacy or principle/policy/event that conservatives supported? And liberals?

I'm only talking about american conservatism and liberalism here. I'm not interested in what socialists/communists or fascists have done in other countries.

I've purposely not used the labels Republicans and Democrats, because the conservatives and liberals have flipped party affiliation in recent history.

Conservatism...the blind support for war in all circumstances.

Liberalism...the resistance in name only to; neverending war, illegal surveillance of American citizens, and the overt suppression of 1st amendment rights.