What Is The Solution To Anthropogenic Global Warming

[PakPuk]

We make the adjustments where we can, continue to advance the technology, make more adjustments in the near future, continue to advance the technology, make more adjustments. Rinse and repeat.

Meanwhile, we advance the technology necessary to remove/counter the effects of the CO2 already produced.

We make the adjustments where we can? Well surly you have to have the technology available to mitigate the closing down of fossil burning power plants?

I think the technology has to be developed before we start closing down fossil fuel power plants.

 

[iguanaman]

Hey but trees are needed for houses? Cows for the milk produce greenhouse gasses? You burn wood for warmth?

No internet and electricity then?

None of the things you mention contribute to AGW. It is the releasing of carbon that was removed from ancient atmospheres for millions of years by plants and "locked" up as fossil fuels. Releasing the millions of tons of this sequestered carbon in a few hundred years is what is warming the planet at alarming rates. The solution is to switch to other forms of energy and eventually replacing all fossil fuels with renewable energy before we burn them all instead of after they run out. That is all it takes. We need to make the switch anyway the argument is only about when we do. It seems pretty petty and "pound foolish" not to do everything we can to speed up the conversion.

 

[PakPuk]

There are literally islands of communities which are sinking beneath the waves. Global Warming is a death sentence already.

So that makes it okay to shut off power to the third would and quadruple food prices due to increased transport and production costs?

Which would kill millions. But I guess since London or New York is going to be under water in 2 years it is fine?

 

[flogger]

Then plants and animals will adjust and adapt, or die.

And if they don't get enough CO2 they certainly will

 

[joG]

Will their farts have to be stored in the same way that nuclear waste is stored?

Best way to go.

 

[iguanaman]

Its not commonly known that nearly a third of all our CO2 production comes from our own respiration and that of the domestic animals we feed on. Thinking levels can somehow magically be rolled back to pre industrial levels would mean a cull of at least 2 billion for starters even if we simply shut up shop and manufactured nothing else again ever :shock:

LOL So you think we only started breathing after the industrial revolution? Breathing does not add to Co2 levels only the releasing of fossil carbon does which is why Co2 concentrations have been going up since we started using those fuels.
There is no current way to "roll back" Co2 levels, it will take plants millions of years to sequester it again. The best we can hope for is a freeze in Co2 levels by stopping the burning of fossil fuels.

 

[MrT]

The sea has been continuously rising for 18, 000 years and often at rates far in excess of the last century

They can move just like many before them must have done

"Often at rates far in excess of the last century."

A) That statement is bull****.

B) You seem to forget that the times when individuals were flooded out of their home were not just "deal with it" types of situations and that many individuals lost their home, the lives of their loved ones, or their own life.

 

[MrT]

We make the adjustments where we can? Well surly you have to have the technology available to mitigate the closing down of fossil burning power plants?

I think the technology has to be developed before we start closing down fossil fuel power plants.

We do already have that technology to shut down fossil burning power plants in many parts of the world.

They can get better though.

 

[MrT]

So that makes it okay to shut off power to the third would and quadruple food prices due to increased transport and production costs?

Which would kill millions. But I guess since London or New York is going to be under water in 2 years it is fine?

You're creating a false dilemma. I never said that had to shut down all the coal fire power plants immediately and the alternative is not "London or New York under water in two years."

 

[PakPuk]

We do already have that technology to shut down fossil burning power plants in many parts of the world.

They can get better though.

What would replace all of the fossil fuel power plants? How would you power heavy industry? How would you stop the price of energy increasing to such high levels that it forces many into poverty?

 

[MrT]

And if they don't get enough CO2 they certainly will

Plants, in the absence of every single currently existing machine, human and animal, would still be able to obtain enough CO2 to survive.

 

[iguanaman]

So that makes it okay to shut off power to the third would and quadruple food prices due to increased transport and production costs?

Which would kill millions. But I guess since London or New York is going to be under water in 2 years it is fine?

How about powering the 3rd world with renewable energy? Why should we wait until we run out of fossil fuels before we switch over?

 

[PakPuk]

You're creating a false dilemma. I never said that had to shut down all the coal fire power plants immediately and the alternative is not "London or New York under water in two years."

What solutions do you have then? Because you want a transformation of the way we produce energy? How? Where will the funds come from?
How many years until they are under water? Are lower parts of London or New York already under water?

 

[PakPuk]

How about powering the 3rd world with renewable energy? Why should we wait until we run out of fossil fuels before we switch over?

Where is the money going to come from to produce viable amounts of renewable energy needed to keep a people in a good standard of living?

 

[MrT]

What would replace all of the fossil fuel power plants? How would you power heavy industry? How would you stop the price of energy increasing to such high levels that it forces many into poverty?

Solar Energy has already dropped at a rate to where it only costs about 30% more than coal and it is dropping exponentially in price.

Nuclear power is already on the same level of price as coal.

Geothermal, Hydro, and some wind are already cheaper than coal.

Coal has already reached its floor for cost - these other types of technology have a long way to go.

 

[PakPuk]

Solar Energy is already dropping at a rate to where it only costs about 30% more than coal and it is dropping exponentially in price.

Nuclear power is already on the same level of price as coal.

Geothermal, Hydro, and some wind are already cheaper than coal.

Coal has already reached its floor for cost - these other types of technology have a long way to go.

Where is the money going to come from? How are you going to make sure that countries don't produce fossil fuel energy?

 

[MrT]

Where is the money going to come from? How are you going to make sure that countries don't produce fossil fuel energy?

I'm just going to start repeating the point I made about these details that I made in my first post.

"It really comes down to two primary points that necessarily carry with them a VAST amount of details and methods for implementing the end result.

I do not have the time or the expertise to talk about the VAST amount of details required."

 

[PakPuk]

I'm just going to start repeating the point I made about these details that I made in my first post.

"It really comes down to two primary points that necessarily carry with them a VAST amount of details and methods for implementing the end result.

I do not have the time or the expertise to talk about the VAST amount of details required."

But you think you can just set up a load of solar panels and shut down the coal power plants and that is enough to produce enough energy required to drive a modern civilization?

 

[flogger]

"Often at rates far in excess of the last century."

A) That statement is bull****.

B) You seem to forget that the times when individuals were flooded out of their home were not just "deal with it" types of situations and that many individuals lost their home, the lives of their loved ones, or their own life.

Then they can move. It has happened before it will happen again given the sea has risen some 450 FEET over that time :shock:

 

[flogger]

LOL So you think we only started breathing after the industrial revolution? Breathing does not add to Co2 levels only the releasing of fossil carbon does which is why Co2 concentrations have been going up since we started using those fuels.
There is no current way to "roll back" Co2 levels, it will take plants millions of years to sequester it again. The best we can hope for is a freeze in Co2 levels by stopping the burning of fossil fuels.

You are a really funny guy. I fell about after that one :lamo

 

[flogger]

We do already have that technology to shut down fossil burning power plants in many parts of the world.

They can get better though.

Shutting them down is easy. Replacing them with something that has to be both practical and affordable is the hard bit

 

[Lord of Planar]

I would think that an immediate change to an Amish type culture Worldwide is the only near term solution.

That's about it. I sure hope those complaining about AGW are practicing this lifestyle.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Genocide China, India, Africa, and the Middle East.

Also, cull the herd here at home. If society is currently supporting you it's time for you to be euthanized.

Problem solved.

maybe not genocide, but if the don't comply with the emission standards the first world nations have adopted, we will need to start WWIII to stop them!

 

[Lord of Planar]

Bill Gates talks about 'reducing down to zero', well how can we? We have to breathe?

We are part of the natural balance. Plants convert CO2 to O2. In the food chain, animals, including humans, then take O2 and make CO2 as we burn the energy in food sources.

 

[iguanaman]

Where is the money going to come from to produce viable amounts of renewable energy needed to keep a people in a good standard of living?

The same place the money comes from when we run out of fossil fuels. There is no difference except we will have a much warmer and more inhospitable world to do it in.