What is the Reason for Benghazi that Obama Doesnt want the Truth to be Revealed.....

[MMC]

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Some apparently would be happier if conflicts visited us here. That way, they aren't foreign anymore.

Heya HB. :2wave: They can't handle whats already here let alone deal with others.....dropping into say Hello.

 

[Jango]

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Post #42.

So 'Americans sick of foreign conflicts = Americans want conflicts in the U.S. instead'?

I don't follow your math.

 

[MMC]

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So 'Americans sick of foreign conflicts = Americans want conflicts in the U.S. instead'?

I don't follow your math.

Heya Jango. :2wave: It was sarcasm IMO......just like the left running around and crying and whining about Fox News. When actually it is the MS Media and Overseas Media that have discovered some of those other facts. But then the MS Media here doesn't like to dwell on such. Rather talk about Da Plane that's been missing for a couple of months now. Or the LA. Clippers Owner.

 

[humbolt]

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So 'Americans sick of foreign conflicts = Americans want conflicts in the U.S. instead'?

I don't follow your math.

Look. We're all tired of foreign conflicts which don't present a threat to us or our interests. However, a sober assessment of threats and the resolve to deal with them before they appear on our shores is also required. The idea that we're not going to get involved in anything beyond our shores is foolish, and isolationism is no longer possible however much we would wish it so. I would much prefer that Europe deal with the Ukraine for example, because the direct threat is to the EU, but we cannot ignore it no matter how much we wish to.

 

[humbolt]

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Heya Jango. :2wave: It was sarcasm IMO......just like the left running around and crying and whining about Fox News. When actually it is the MS Media and Overseas Media that have discovered some of those other facts. But then the MS Media here doesn't like to dwell on such. Rather talk about Da Plane that's been missing for a couple of months now. Or the LA. Clippers Owner.

Exactly, and as long as we can manufacture enough crap here to hold our attention, we won't focus on the stuff that's brewing to our detriment abroad. I don't disagree that we've been involved in things beyond our serious interests abroad, but that's not to say we haven't had our asses handed to us more than a few times of late on the international front to our detriment.

 

[MMC]

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Exactly, and as long as we can manufacture enough crap here to hold our attention, we won't focus on the stuff that's brewing to our detriment abroad. I don't disagree that we've been involved in things beyond our serious interests abroad, but that's not to say we haven't had our asses handed to us more than a few times of late on the international front to our detriment.

Which is what happened in Libya.....they attacked that same Consulate earlier in the year. That's how the Gates got removed. They blew a hole in them and even left a calling card saying they would be back.

Now what was really funny was Hillary's Team hiring these very same people to act as our Security. Yet......for year and half leading up to 911. The whole entire time we are being screwed with and no one knew who it was per se. Other than this group calling themselves Ansar al Sharia. Just like the ones in Yemen and that have spread across the ME.

Also at the time of their threat in March of that year.....they then went after the Red Cross Offices.....while Assassinations took place among Libyan politicians and Police and other Tribal leaders. Who were jockeying for power left by the removal of Gadhafi. As the Berbers weren't going to accept the TNC and MB or Sunni Arabs dictating to or ruling over them.

 

[humbolt]

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Which is what happened in Libya.....they attacked that same Consulate earlier in the year. That's how the Gates got removed. They blew a hole in them and even left a calling card saying they would be back.

Now what was really funny was Hillary's Team hiring these very same people to act as our Security. Yet......for year and half leading up to 911. The whole entire time we are being screwed with and no one knew who it was per se. Other than this group calling themselves Ansar al Sharia. Just like the ones in Yemen and that have spread across the ME.

Also at the time of their threat in March of that year.....they then went after the Red Cross Offices.....while Assassinations took place among Libyan politicians and Police and other Tribal leaders. Who were jockeying for power left by the removal of Gadhafi. As the Berbers weren't going to accept the TNC and MB or Sunni Arabs dictating to or ruling over them.

You know it. Even the British knew what was going on, and we did too. When their ambassador was attacked in that convoy, our CIA guys went to help. They said at the time that the mokes who shot were good, and if it wasn't for a change in vehicles, their ambassador would've been killed too. There was little doubt about what was going on.

 

[danielpalos]

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Okay.....as the title Asks. What do you think is the Main reason or reasons that Obama and his Team do not want the truth to come out over Benghazi and the Attack with US Consulate/Annex? As well as what took place with the Attack and Death of a US Ambassador and other Americans Which would include those who were wounded and have not testified.

1. Do you think it is over Incompetence, Mismanagement, and not knowing what was going on inside Benghazi?

2. Do you think it is over the Politicization of an Election in order to get Obama Elected?

3. Do you think it was over the Anniversary of 911?

4. Do you think it was over revenge due to what was done to Gadhafi.

5. Do you think it was over an Arms deal that had to be kept secret due to Obama telling The UN and the World that the US would Not Arm the Syrian Rebels with Weapons. Which at first.....he stated no specificity as to what type of weapons light heavy or any other description. Other than No weapons and due to not knowing all those involved with the Syrian Rebels?


Or do you think it is due to some other reason and if so. Explain.....and yes some of these reasons there could be more than just one reason. Please define a reason/s or one of your own. What say ye?

The Romans weren't overly enthused by Varus, either.

 

[MMC]

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The Romans weren't overly enthused by Varus, either.

Well.....you have to understand. They were a little slow. But ya have to remember they were taught by the Etruscans. Who did have that lil issue about partying. Be we did try to get them to change their ways. They just didn't want to listen......and of course the rest is history.

 

[MMC]

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You know it. Even the British knew what was going on, and we did too. When their ambassador was attacked in that convoy, our CIA guys went to help. They said at the time that the mokes who shot were good, and if it wasn't for a change in vehicles, their ambassador would've been killed too. There was little doubt about what was going on.

Yeah, and then they would go after the Italians Ambassador.....but here is the another point. The State Dept knew who Ansar al Sharia was. Also they knew who left the calling card when they blew out the gates with their second attack on the consulate.

Here it is from the their Dept themselves.


State Department: Ansar al Sharia an alias for AQAP
October 4, 2012 <<<<< !!!!

The US State Department announced today that it has amended its terrorist designations of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) "to include the new alias, Ansar al Sharia (AAS)."

The Ansar al Sharia brand

Although the State Department's statement focuses solely on Ansar al Sharia in Yemen, other Ansar al Sharia-branded organizations have emerged elsewhere since the Arab Spring, including Tunisia and Libya.

Ansar al Sharia Tunisia is headed by Seifallah ben Hassine, otherwise known as Abu Iyad al Tunisi. Hassine, a longtime al Qaeda ally, orchestrated the Sept. 14 assault on the US embassy in Tunis.

In 2000, Hassine became a co-founder of the Tunisian Combatant Group (TCG). According to the United Nations, the TCG was created "in coordination with" al Qaeda. Hassine reportedly met with both Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri prior to the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. TCG operatives were involved in the Sept. 9, 2001 assassination of Northern Alliance commander Ahmed Shah Massoud. The assassination was an integral part of al Qaeda's Sept. 11 plot, as it removed a key American ally from the battlefield before the fight for Afghanistan even began. <<<<< !

Also in 2001, the TCG was implicated in several al Qaeda plots throughout Europe. [For more on the TCG and Ansar al Sharia Tunisia, see LWJ report, Al Qaeda ally orchestrated assault on US embassy in Tunisia.]

In Libya, multiple groups calling themselves Ansar al Sharia have popped up recently. A militia named Ansar al Sharia has been reportedly implicated in the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on the US consulate in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

That report, titled "Al Qaeda in Libya: A Profile," was produced under an agreement with the Defense Department's Combating Terrorism Technical Support Office (CTTSO). The report's authors document al Qaeda's extensive presence in Libya, finding that al Qaeda's senior leadership in Pakistan has dispatched operatives to the North African country to establish a clandestine terrorist network there. <<<<< !!!

The Defense Department's CTTSO concluded that al Qaeda is on the verge of a fully operational network inside Libya, and Ansar al Sharia is one of the brands employed by al Qaeda operatives. <<<<< !!!!!

[For more on al Qaeda's presence in Libya, see LWJ report, Al Qaeda's plan for Libya highlighted in congressional report.]


Read more: State Department: Ansar al Sharia an alias for AQAP - The Long War Journal

 

[danielpalos]

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So, why was the senior officer present not prepared to evacuate; even a Rebel Alliance knew to do that.

 

[humbolt]

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Yeah, and then they would go after the Italians Ambassador.....but here is the another point. The State Dept knew who Ansar al Sharia was. Also they knew who left the calling card when they blew out the gates with their second attack on the consulate.

Here it is from the their Dept themselves.


State Department: Ansar al Sharia an alias for AQAP
October 4, 2012 <<<<< !!!!

The US State Department announced today that it has amended its terrorist designations of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) "to include the new alias, Ansar al Sharia (AAS)."

The Ansar al Sharia brand

Although the State Department's statement focuses solely on Ansar al Sharia in Yemen, other Ansar al Sharia-branded organizations have emerged elsewhere since the Arab Spring, including Tunisia and Libya.

Ansar al Sharia Tunisia is headed by Seifallah ben Hassine, otherwise known as Abu Iyad al Tunisi. Hassine, a longtime al Qaeda ally, orchestrated the Sept. 14 assault on the US embassy in Tunis.

In 2000, Hassine became a co-founder of the Tunisian Combatant Group (TCG). According to the United Nations, the TCG was created "in coordination with" al Qaeda. Hassine reportedly met with both Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri prior to the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. TCG operatives were involved in the Sept. 9, 2001 assassination of Northern Alliance commander Ahmed Shah Massoud. The assassination was an integral part of al Qaeda's Sept. 11 plot, as it removed a key American ally from the battlefield before the fight for Afghanistan even began. <<<<< !

Also in 2001, the TCG was implicated in several al Qaeda plots throughout Europe. [For more on the TCG and Ansar al Sharia Tunisia, see LWJ report, Al Qaeda ally orchestrated assault on US embassy in Tunisia.]

In Libya, multiple groups calling themselves Ansar al Sharia have popped up recently. A militia named Ansar al Sharia has been reportedly implicated in the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on the US consulate in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

That report, titled "Al Qaeda in Libya: A Profile," was produced under an agreement with the Defense Department's Combating Terrorism Technical Support Office (CTTSO). The report's authors document al Qaeda's extensive presence in Libya, finding that al Qaeda's senior leadership in Pakistan has dispatched operatives to the North African country to establish a clandestine terrorist network there. <<<<< !!!

The Defense Department's CTTSO concluded that al Qaeda is on the verge of a fully operational network inside Libya, and Ansar al Sharia is one of the brands employed by al Qaeda operatives.

[For more on al Qaeda's presence in Libya, see LWJ report, Al Qaeda's plan for Libya highlighted in congressional report.]


Read more: State Department: Ansar al Sharia an alias for AQAP - The Long War Journal

Good info. Thanks. In spite of what's considered common knowledge, the radical Muzzies have been active in Africa for decades. Just not in these numbers.

 

[MMC]

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So, why was the senior officer present not prepared to evacuate; even a Rebel Alliance knew to do that.

He tried to get Security Put back into place.....no one listened and he was ordered to go to Benghazi to meet with the Turk Envoy.



Before death, Amb. Stevens warned of "violent" Libya landscape.....

Steven's memos to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which is investigating attacks, show he personally pressed for strengthened security.

On July 9, 2012, Stevens sent a "request for extension of tour of duty (TDY) personnel." That refers to a 16-man military temporary security team with expertise in counter terrorism. They were set to leave in August, but Stevens asked to keep them "thru mid-September."

On August 2, six weeks before he died, Stevens requested "protective detail bodyguard potions," saying the added guards "will fill the vacuum of security personnel currently at post who will be leaving with the next month and will not be replaced." He called "the security condition in Libya ... unpredictable, volatile and violent." It's not known what happened to that request.

On August 8, as the special security teams left Libya, another cable from Stevens says "a series of violent incidents has dominated the political landscape" and calls them "targeted and discriminate attacks."

Then on September 11 -- the day the Ambassador lost his life -- he sent this Benghazi weekly report. It expressed Libyans' "growing frustration with police and security forces who were too weak to keep the country secure."

Colonel Andrew Wood led the U.S. military team that left Libya in August. He testified before Congress last week.

He told CBS News that Stevens fought losing another security team.....snip~

Before death, Amb. Stevens warned of "violent" Libya landscape - CBS News
October 20, 2012, 2:45 PM <<<<< !

 

[reconmark]

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[Perotista]

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Unfortunately there is no way to discuss it without all the tangents that come into play due to timing of the Year. Which IMO Team O played on and manipulated so as not to have egg come out on their face. While Politicizing an election.

Lets go with just your first paragraph for the moment. Again.....What do you think it means that Benghazi was to Dangerous to conduct International Business? What does that terminology mean to you? Coming from Security Personnel and given to State Dept Diplomats?

Also part of your first paragraph asks about did they know if it was a Pre-planned attack. Did the US have the warning from Ansar al Sharia that they were going to attack US Interests Prior to 911?

So yeah......we already know about the negligence of Security. As well as the Incompetence shown by this Administration just over that issue alone.

What do you think about Not accepting a direct threat <<<<< coming from a group that Already had attacked this same Consulate in Benghazi Earlier in March of that year? Then Proceeded to threaten us and then even went after other Western Interests and allies.

We'll see my friend. I would take any threat warning seriously. A failure to do so would most likely result in what happened. But what roll did the Ambassador play in all of this? Another question, I assumed he knew of the threat and still went. Why? Okay, so I have a ton of questions and no real answers. If the Ambassador knew of the threat, again I assumed he did, what was so important that he go? Whatever was going one, he deemed it worth the risk. I don't know, I just don't know.

 

[MMC]

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We'll see my friend. I would take any threat warning seriously. A failure to do so would most likely result in what happened. But what roll did the Ambassador play in all of this? Another question, I assumed he knew of the threat and still went. Why? Okay, so I have a ton of questions and no real answers. If the Ambassador knew of the threat, again I assumed he did, what was so important that he go? Whatever was going one, he deemed it worth the risk. I don't know, I just don't know.

Read what I have up......what is Stevens reporting to his superiors about targeted and discriminate attacks? What does this mean to those of us that are Ex-Military? That report was sent Aug 8th. Not even a but a month and a couple of days to the 10 year Anniversary of 911.

 

[MMC]

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Next! :lol:

 

[Fearandloathing]

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None of the above. The whole thing is about sore losers who can't come to grips with the fact that Obama won re-election fair and square mostly because their candidate was a total a-hole.

link?


yeah, it's old news that "no one" cares about and Bagdad Bob Carney is the most trusted voice in America.


Madonna is not a slut, jimmy Kimmel has a brain that functions and everything that has happened under the Obama adminstration that did not work as forecast, which is everything, is "Bush's fault."

as a matter of fact the assassination of the Ambassador never happened, that's right, it's all a lie concocted by Fox News....

And Canada is secretly running the world with a secret weapon, John Kennedy is not dead but soon will be and the aliens are coming to take us all back in time to when Barry was loved by everyone not just single digit IQ lemmings and stray dogs.

Does it mean anything at all when we tell you we don't believe you anymore? That the spontaneous demonstration thing with "If you like your plan...." "I never said that, what I said was if you like your plan you can keep it unless the insurance companies change it" ended it all once and for all. Obama and his staff, followers aids and hangers on are liars.

 

[Perotista]

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Read what I have up......what is Stevens reporting to his superiors about targeted and discriminate attacks? What does this mean to those of us that are Ex-Military? That report was sent Aug 8th. Not even a but a month and a couple of days to the 10 year Anniversary of 911.

I understand that, but why then would the Ambassador still go to Benghazi? The only thing I can come up with he wanted to do something very important that taking a company of Marines wouldn't let him do. Something probably covert and perhaps he banked on the CIA and perhaps some local native militia to protect him. I do not know this, just call it a SWAG.

 

[Fearandloathing]

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Okay.....as the title Asks. What do you think is the Main reason or reasons that Obama and his Team do not want the truth to come out over Benghazi and the Attack with US Consulate/Annex? As well as what took place with the Attack and Death of a US Ambassador and other Americans Which would include those who were wounded and have not testified.

1. Do you think it is over Incompetence, Mismanagement, and not knowing what was going on inside Benghazi?

2. Do you think it is over the Politicization of an Election in order to get Obama Elected?

3. Do you think it was over the Anniversary of 911?

4. Do you think it was over revenge due to what was done to Gadhafi.

5. Do you think it was over an Arms deal that had to be kept secret due to Obama telling The UN and the World that the US would Not Arm the Syrian Rebels with Weapons. Which at first.....he stated no specificity as to what type of weapons light heavy or any other description. Other than No weapons and due to not knowing all those involved with the Syrian Rebels?


Or do you think it is due to some other reason and if so. Explain.....and yes some of these reasons there could be more than just one reason. Please define a reason/s or one of your own. What say ye?

Well my friend, having seen a lot of stupid things by some otherwise intelligent people in government, I would say it starts with inexperience and Obama's own personality...the boasting hot shot with his pen and his phone, invincible before the might of mere mortals.
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I believe it at least started like this:

Obama was running on the conqueror's message, 'I defeated Al-Qaeda'....and so when 911 rolled around he simply could not afford to have the nation on high alert or anything else. When the first reports came in, someone who knew the importance of that message intercepted it and so "the story' was created out of a 'truth' that had nothing to do with Libya...demonstrations in Cairo allegedly now, anyway, about the video, the video in English...

It sounded good to the boss, who ran with it and kept running with it. Even when it began to crumble within days, when Canadian and other media were reporting the truth, with video an arrogant, immature rock star president made the rookie mistake of rookie mistakes and thought he could control the message, his salesmanship would win the day...he was after all "the one".

If there was more to it than that, it was an after-the fact thing, another reason to keep it buried.

What convinced me was the debate...Obama was far, far too ready with the lie...that he "I said all along it was a terrorist attack" He knew then the lie was coming unraveled and they would have to do a Nixon on this.

It may have been no more than that, simple arrogance born out of Obama's natural insecurity of not being able to listen to criticism.


The whole Watergate thing was a mere stupid attempt to get a the list of contributors to the Democrats, no more than that.

 

[iguanaman]

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link?


yeah, it's old news that "no one" cares about and Bagdad Bob Carney is the most trusted voice in America.


Madonna is not a slut, jimmy Kimmel has a brain that functions and everything that has happened under the Obama adminstration that did not work as forecast, which is everything, is "Bush's fault."

as a matter of fact the assassination of the Ambassador never happened, that's right, it's all a lie concocted by Fox News....

And Canada is secretly running the world with a secret weapon, John Kennedy is not dead but soon will be and the aliens are coming to take us all back in time to when Barry was loved by everyone not just single digit IQ lemmings and stray dogs.

Does it mean anything at all when we tell you we don't believe you anymore? That the spontaneous demonstration thing with "If you like your plan...." "I never said that, what I said was if you like your plan you can keep it unless the insurance companies change it" ended it all once and for all. Obama and his staff, followers aids and hangers on are liars.

Obama bent over backwards to try and help those that lost their plans because of the insurers greed. Over 90% are now reinsured and the number of uninsured has dropped to 13%. What I find amusing is how much like a whining baby you guys sound. It's like you never grew up. You lost fair and square and it's time to move on to your next loss....and there will be many more.

 

[MMC]

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I understand that, but why then would the Ambassador still go to Benghazi? The only thing I can come up with he wanted to do something very important that taking a company of Marines wouldn't let him do. Something probably covert and perhaps he banked on the CIA and perhaps some local native militia to protect him. I do not know this, just call it a SWAG.

Can't bring a Detachment of Marines to meet the Turk Envoy who has shown up in Benghazi for a planned meeting. Especially one that no one is paying much attention to on the 10 year Anniversary of 911.....huh?

Well except for Ansar al Sharia and AQ Right?

 

[polgara]

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We'll see my friend. I would take any threat warning seriously. A failure to do so would most likely result in what happened. But what roll did the Ambassador play in all of this? Another question, I assumed he knew of the threat and still went. Why? Okay, so I have a ton of questions and no real answers. If the Ambassador knew of the threat, again I assumed he did, what was so important that he go? Whatever was going one, he deemed it worth the risk. I don't know, I just don't know.

We may never know, but whatever it was, he deemed it important enough to take the risk. I do not believe that he acted without telling anyone in the administration, though. Someone knows, and they are either keeping silent for reasons we don't know about - yet - or they have been told to do so. Ambassadors don't usually put themselves in harm's way deliberately, and as other posters have pointed out, he was aware of the possibility of possible unrest due to the time period. CBS News October 20 2012. It almost seems like he was obeying orders of some kind to do what he did.

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

 

[Perotista]

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Can't bring a Detachment of Marines to meet the Turk Envoy who has shown up in Benghazi for a planned meeting. Especially one that no one is paying much attention to on the 10 year Anniversary of 911.....huh?

Well except for Ansar al Sharia and AQ Right?

Huh, Turk envoy huh. Sound like guns for the Syrian Rebels to me. I don't know. I think I will just sit, watch, wait and listen. This could be about almost anything.

 

[Fearandloathing]

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Obama bent over backwards to try and help those that lost their plans because of the insurers greed. Over 90% are now reinsured and the number of uninsured has dropped to 13%. What I find amusing is how much like a whining baby you guys sound. It's like you never grew up. You lost fair and square and it's time to move on to your next loss....and there will be many more.

Link?

he "bent over backwards" means what exactly, that with his pen and phone he got them a new policy.


that, sir, is complete bull****...the Whitehouse has done nothing but back up Harry Reid who says "they're all liars.'

If he "tried to help" them why did he wait until; after it was enacted? He knew and had stated on tape that people would lose their plans, BEFORE her single handedly changed the law 27 times.

If he was so, so, moved by the hardship, fear and anguish, how was it he couldn't have even let them know in advance and had to keep it all his little Barry secret until after the country re-elected him?

Your boy is a crook....only a fool would lie for him.

And save the personal ****...saying people are acting like babies when they are responding to your lies is not a way to make friends...you do not want to get into an insult game with me.