What is the purpose of being against gay marriage? [W:870]

[CLAX1911]

We've already been over this, why do you insist on playing dumb?

Marriage is a solemn, or sacred, vow between a man and a woman.

That is the first time you says it was sacred. Magical vow that is totally dependent on the configuration of you're crotch.

I am not playing dumb I just wanted you to admit that it is magic.

So sacred that heterosexuals have single handedly destroyed that magical meaning that never was.

 

[CLAX1911]

Who cares ?..................

A solenm sacred view that heterosexuals have singlehandedly destroyed. Yeah it doesn't matter

 

[CLAX1911]

Part of growing up is realizing that mental illness on a pandemic scale has been the norm for centuries.........................

No, just trying to understand the bias. I do now.

 

[mac]

That is the first time you says it was sacred. Magical vow that is totally dependent on the configuration of you're crotch.

I am not playing dumb I just wanted you to admit that it is magic.

It's not the first time I've said that, but may have been to you. I did say solemn to you before. Regardless, sacred does not imply magical properties.

So sacred that heterosexuals have single handedly destroyed that magical meaning that never was.

The whittling away of the permanence of marriage has been common in recent years, but there are those of us that wish to change that. Regardless, marriage has not been completely destroyed, yet, and we'd like to preserve what little there is of it.

 

[mac]

No, just trying to understand the bias. I do now.

As opposed to your own bias?

 

[CLAX1911]

It's not the first time I've said that, but may have been to you. I did say solemn to you before. Regardless, sacred does not imply magical properties.

Sacred- Connected with God (or the gods) or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration: "sacred rites". Aka, religious, personal, not enforceable by law due to three first amendment.

The whittling away of the permanence of marriage has been common in recent years, but there are those of us that wish to change that. Regardless, marriage has not been completely destroyed, yet, and we'd like to preserve what little there is of it.

There is nothing you can do. Other peoples marriages are not your business. Do you think it is better for spouses that hate each other stay together? That is really good for marriage.

 

[CLAX1911]

As opposed to your own bias?

What bias?
Everybody is biased but I did not expose one here.

 

[mac]

Sacred- Connected with God (or the gods) or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration: "sacred rites". Aka, religious, personal, not enforceable by law due to three first amendment.

That is only some of the definiton.

sa·cred [sey-krid] Show IPA
adjective
1.
devoted or dedicated to a deity or to some religious purpose; consecrated.
2.
entitled to veneration or religious respect by association with divinity or divine things; holy.
3.
pertaining to or connected with religion ( opposed to secular or profane ): sacred music; sacred books.
4.
reverently dedicated to some person, purpose, or object: a morning hour sacred to study.
5.
regarded with reverence: the sacred memory of a dead hero.

There is nothing you can do. Other peoples marriages are not your business. Do you think it is better for spouses that hate each other stay together? That is really good for marriage.

How the society I belong too conducts itself is as much my business as anyone's (and it is my business) and the effects of peoples actions on society is also my business.

 

[mac]

What bias?
Everybody is biased but I did not expose one here.

By claiming my beliefs and opinions are the result of bias exposes your own.

 

[Verthaine]

The whittling away of the permanence of marriage has been common in recent years, but there are those of us that wish to change that.

How do propose to achieve that?
Does preventing gay people from marrying somehow magically stop straight people from divorcing?

Regardless, marriage has not been completely destroyed, yet, and we'd like to preserve what little there is of it.

Who's stopping straight people from marrying and staying together with members of the opposite sex?
I was married to my first wife for 13 years before she was killed by a drunk driver.
I've been married to my second wife for 11 years next month.

people are getting married all the time.I'm absolutely booked solid this entire month just catering weddings.Weddings seem to be up from this time of year?

The permanence of ANY couples marriage is ultimately dependent on THAT couple.Exactly where do you fit in that equation outside your own marriage?

 

[CLAX1911]

As opposed to your own bias?

You think allowing gay people to have joint custody over their kids is going to harm some sacred vow you made with your spouse. Or them calling civil union marriage will do that. Its really rather odd.

I am not biased against straight people I almost married one. I am biased against puerile who are biased against me, my husband and my fourteen year old boy, without even knowing us. But the point of thus thread was understanding. I understand you, you clearly don't understand me.

 

[mac]

How do propose to achieve that?
Does preventing gay people from marrying somehow magically stop straight people from divorcing?

By promoting, on a societal level, the importance of the permanence of marriage. Peer pressure is the best cure, after all.

Who's stopping straight people from marrying and staying together with members of the opposite sex?
I was married to my first wife for 13 years before she was killed by a drunk driver.
I've been married to my second wife for 11 years next month.

people are getting married all the time.I'm absolutely booked solid this entire month just catering weddings.Weddings seem to be up from this time of year?

The permanence of ANY couples marriage is ultimately dependent on THAT couple.Exactly where do you fit in that equation outside your own marriage?

Are you suggesting that you being widowed somehow negates my argument?

 

[mac]

You think allowing gay people to have joint custody over their kids is going to harm some sacred vow you made with your spouse. Or them calling civil union marriage will do that. Its really rather odd.

Directly, no.

I am not biased against straight people I almost married one. I am biased against puerile who are biased against me, my husband and my fourteen year old boy, without even knowing us. But the point of thus thread was understanding. I understand you, you clearly don't understand me.

Your idea that my concept of marriage is wrong (and yours is right) is a bias in and of itself. Your attempt to smear what you perceive my religious beliefs to be is another bias exposed. Hell, you've shown three in as many posts.

 

[CLAX1911]

By claiming my beliefs and opinions are the result of bias exposes your own.

Your beliefs are biased based on the definition of the word bias.

Bias- Prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.

I respect your right to have your beliefs, I think they are wrong but you have all the right to have them.

What group did i show my bias for? One that forbids me liberties i actually have a need for in favor of some spiritual mumbo jumbo?

 

[mac]

What group did i show my bias for? One that forbids me liberties i actually have a need for in favor of some spiritual mumbo jumbo?

The group that believes marriage is not restricted to a man and a woman and the group that has no respect for others beliefs. It's pointless to start a statement with "I respect your beliefs" and then finish with "some spiritual mumbo jumbo". It's downright dishonest.

 

[CLAX1911]

Directly, no.



Your idea that my concept of marriage is wrong (and yours is right) is a bias in and of itself. Your attempt to smear what you perceive my religious beliefs to be is another bias exposed. Hell, you've shown three in as many posts.

your concept of marriage is wrong because your concept is to force your concept on the entire world you have exposed a bias against everybody that disagrees with you. I on the other hand don't seek to force everybody to accept my belief. I just wanted to know why you were biased, its based on spirituality, and sacred vows and solemeness that only exists to you. That is fine, fair enough. But I am not against heterosexual marriage, I am absolutely for it. But also for SSM.

I generally don't favor beliefs that say that I will destroy marriage and its sacred meaning if it had any. But like i said all people are biased, you know now why I am, I want to have my husband legally recognized as my husband and you stand in my way for a purpose that makes little sense to me. You are biased because you believe that same sex marriage will alter its meaning.

Right wrong or indifferent, I wish you had just said that to begin with. I will likely never lose my bias nor will you, but its good to know what they are. So as to avoid arguments in the future.

 

[Bonzai]

The group that believes marriage is not restricted to a man and a woman and the group that has no respect for others beliefs. It's pointless to start a statement with "I respect your beliefs" and then finish with "some spiritual mumbo jumbo". It's downright dishonest.

There is no point in respecting the beliefs of the profoundly disturbed.......................

 

[Verthaine]

By promoting, on a societal level, the importance of the permanence of marriage. Peer pressure is the best cure, after all. 9/quote]
I did not question the importance of the permanence of marriage.
Peer pressure is the best you can come up with.
The equivalent of "If you don't do what I tell you to do I won't be your friend anymore"?

Peer pressure may be a "best cure" for YOU,but I always preferred "love and understanding".
I live in a state where SSM is legal.No fault divorce is waaaaaaaaay more of a threat to the "permanence of marriage" than SSM ever could be.

Are you suggesting that you being widowed somehow negates my argument?

Not at all.
The Nine Billion,Five Hundred Million (9,500,000,000 just in case you don't know what that number looks like) damn good reasons to be in favor of SSM I quoted way back in post #331 already did that.

 

[CLAX1911]

The group that believes marriage is not restricted to a man and a woman and the group that has no respect for others beliefs. It's pointless to start a statement with "I respect your beliefs" and then finish with "some spiritual mumbo jumbo". It's downright dishonest.

Its very dishonest to alter my post to suit your point. I respect your right to have your beliefs, I don't respect your beliefs, you don't respect mine, you told me repeatedly that mine will tear down the sacredness of marriage.

Your in a group that had no respect for people that share my beliefs. So we both share that bias as I believe all humans do.

You have no respect for my beliefs, you stomped all over them repeatedly.

 

[mac]

By promoting, on a societal level, the importance of the permanence of marriage. Peer pressure is the best cure, after all. {/quote]
I did not question the importance of the permanence of marriage.
Peer pressure is the best you can come up with.
The equivellent of'If you don't do what i tell you to do I wion't be your friend anyore?
Peer pressure may be a "best cure" for YOU,but I always preferred "love and understanding".
I live in a state where SSM is legal.No fault divorce is waaaaaaaaay more of a threat to the "permanence of marriage" than SSM ever could be.

Peer pressure is pretty persuasive, and it's more often positive than negative.

Not at all.
The Nine Billion,Five Hundred Million (9,500,000,000 just in case you don't know what that number looks like) damn good reasons to be in favor of SSM I quoted way back in post #331 already did that.

I don's see how they do. Thanks for writing the numbers, by the way, I was struggling.

 

[mac]

Its very dishonest to alter my post to suit your point. I respect your right to have your beliefs, I don't respect your beliefs, you don't respect mine, you told me repeatedly that mine will tear down the sacredness of marriage.

I didn't alter your post. This statement is different than what you posted before.

Your in a group that had no respect for people that share my beliefs. So we both share that bias as I believe all humans do.

You have no respect for my beliefs, you stomped all over them repeatedly.

I never claimed to have any respect for your beliefs regarding marriage, nor did I call it "mumbo jumbo".

 

[CLAX1911]

There is no point in respecting the beliefs of the profoundly disturbed.......................

Don't let him play his moral superiority act on you. he repeatedly said gay people being allowed to marry would ruin marriage. he has far less respect for your beliefs that you have for his.

You don't when have the right to have your beliefs, because his are in contradiction. Its a two way street.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

There is no point in respecting the beliefs of the profoundly disturbed.......................

Moderator's Warning:

Knock it off, Bonzai.

 

[CLAX1911]

I didn't alter your post. This statement is different than what you posted before.

post number 664, try again.

I never claimed to have any respect for your beliefs regarding marriage, nor did I call it "mumbo jumbo".

No, you didn't call it mumbo jumbo, you did say it would threaten society, far worse.

I never said I respected your beliefs. I said I respected your right to have them. You don't respect my right to have my beliefs.

 

[CLAX1911]

I didn't alter your post. This statement is different than what you posted before.



I never claimed to have any respect for your beliefs regarding marriage, nor did I call it "mumbo jumbo".

this is all really beside the point or the topic. I know my biases very well your unintelligible pointing out that people don't generally like other people that oppress them for stupid reasons is ridiculously obvious.

The thing is did you learn about your bias?

I feel like I am being oppressed by people that share your opinion. And I think your reason is incredibly ridiculous.