What is the point of agnosticism?

[Logician Man]

You BELIEVE gods are both possible and impossible at the same time. That is a blind guess in both directions at the same time. You are exactly like that which you say you don’t want to be.

*Ouch*

 

[watsup]

YOU do it because you BELIEVE there are no gods...and you BELIEVE it is not even possible there are any.

Not so. I reject the belief that there are a God/gods because there is no evidence for same. You, on the other hand, hold dearly to the claim of the “possibility” of at least one god, namely the Crestor god, even though it is a totally ludicrous concept without a bit of evidence to support it.

Okay...you reject the belief, I do also. BUT I also reject the belief that there are no gods...AND YOU DO NOT.

See above.

I do that because it IS possible that at least one god exists. A

Whatever. No evidence.

Why do you insist that people make a blind guess one way or the other?

Why do you insist that people should guess that it is possible that there is a Creator god? Again, it’s a ludicrous concept. Atheists reject ALL gods. Like religionists who hold dear to their omniscient, omnipotent, font of morality God, you hold on dearly to the possibility of one last god, the Creator god. Atheist reject every one of them as myth and superstition,

 

[quip]

You BELIEVE gods are both possible and impossible at the same time. That is a blind guess in both directions at the same time. You are exactly like that which you say you don’t want to be.

That's a self-serving strawman.

More akin to: Due to a lack of relevant knowledge, the agnostic contends that it's certainly possible that God exists while equitably, impossible that He doesn't.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Not so. I reject the belief that there are a God/gods because there is no evidence for same. You, on the other hand, hold dearly to the claim of the “possibility” of at least one god, namely the Crestor god, even though it is a totally ludicrous concept without a bit of evidence to support it.

C'mon. I claim it is possible there are no gods...and it also is possible there is at least one god. I do that because it is totally logical...and unassailable. WITHOUT A DOUBT...there either are no gods...or there is at least one god.

See above.

Yes see my response to up above.

Whatever. No evidence.

One does not need evidence to say it is possible. THERE IS NO DOUBT WHATEVER EITHER THERE ARE NO GODS...OR THERE IS AT LEAST ONE GOD.

Either is possible at this point.

But...you being a believer, are going to insist there are no gods. You will defend this blind guess of yours every bit as much as the theists here will defend their blind guesses.

It is kinda cute.

Why do you insist that people should guess that it is possible that there is a Creator god?

People should KNOW there is the possibility of a creator god. It is a possibility. Anyone who is logical will understand it is the logical thing to do. But some people, like you, believe it is impossible...and will defend that blind guess every bit as much as one of those theist types.

It is cute.

Again, it’s a ludicrous concept. Atheists reject ALL gods.

And most atheists, like you, blindly guess that there are no gods...and hold to that faith with the same tenacity as the theists hold to theirs.

Cute...but not very logical.

Like religionists who hold dear to their omniscient, omnipotent, font of morality God, you hold on dearly to the possibility of one last god, the Creator god. Atheist reject every one of them as myth and superstition,

Yes, I agree. You atheists blindly guess there are none. And you hold onto that bit of faith with as much fervor as the theists hold onto theirs.

Keep it up, my friend. Great discussion.

 

[quip]

One does not need evidence to say it is possible. THERE IS NO DOUBT WHATEVER EITHER THERE ARE NO GODS...OR THERE IS AT LEAST ONE GOD.

Either is possible at this point.

But...you being a believer, are going to insist there are no gods. You will defend this blind guess of yours every bit as much as the theists here will defend their blind guesses.

It is kinda cute.

OUCH!

 

[devildavid]

That's a self-serving strawman.

More akin to: Due to a lack of relevant knowledge, the agnostic contends that it's certainly possible that God exists while equitably, impossible that He doesn't.

No, he actually asserts that. He asserts that both things are possible. That is the opposite of not knowing anything about gods, which includes their possibility.

 

[Galactic Spin]

That's a self-serving strawman.

More akin to: Due to a lack of relevant knowledge, the agnostic contends that it's certainly possible that God exists while equitably, impossible that He doesn't.

You have confused yourself again.

The agnostic atheist -- i.e, all agnostics -- simply places a safe bet that gods don't exist and lives their life acccordingly, giving as much thought to gods as they do unicorns or Leprechauns.

In pragmatic terms, they assume gods don't exist or make any difference, when doing or thinking anything at all.

Which is just rational behavior.

 

[Frank Apisa]

You have confused yourself again.

The agnostic atheist -- i.e, all agnostics -- simply places a safe bet that gods don't exist and lives their life acccordingly, giving as much thought to gods as they do unicorns or Leprechauns.

In pragmatic terms, they assume gods don't exist or make any difference, when doing or thinking anything at all.

Rose bush fertilizer!

It is possible no gods exist...and it also is possible there is at least one god.

People who choose to use "atheist" as a descriptor just want to blindly guess there are no gods.

In doing so...they are doing what they fault theists for doing.

Which is just rational behavior.

Ummm...ah, never mind. You know what I was thinking!

 

[Galactic Spin]

People who choose to use "atheist" as a descriptor just want to blindly guess there are no gods.

Wrong. I am an atheist, as are you. It doesn't matter what you choose to call yourself, words mean what they mean.

My 6 year old used to call himself Spiderman. Was he?

And as described in my post, you place a very safe bet that gods do not exist.

You have placed the bet for life. You don't even think about it anynore.

You can wail and gnash your teeth and write just as many verbose, emotional pile of crap posts as you like, and all of the above will always be true.

Sorry, Atheist Frank. These words existed before your soulless body was ejected from your progenitor.

 

[quip]

No, he actually asserts that. He asserts that both things are possible. That is the opposite of not knowing anything about gods, which includes their possibility.

Experience your own silly equivocation: "Frank asserts the simultaneous possibility of the impossibility of God and the possibility of a possible God."

Rather: By way of the lack of existential knowledge (regarding God) we cannot know whether God exists or whether God does not exist therefore, the possibilities regarding God's existence or God's non-existence, are comparatively equal.

Quit creating strawman. It makes you look ignorant.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Wrong. I am an atheist, as are you. It doesn't matter what you choose to call yourself, words mean what they mean.

In the case of the word "atheist"...they got it completely wrong. But...what the hell...they are atheists and there is a reason they want agnostics to be counted in their ranks.

Atheists mistakenly suppose the word comes from "a" (without) prefixing "theism" (belief in a god) = without a belief in a god.

But that is absurd, because the word "atheist" came into the English language almost 100 years BEFORE the wrod "theist"...SO IT COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED THAT WAY...OR MEAN THAT.

The word "atheist" came into the English language from the Greek through the French...and had "a" prefixing "theos" (a god) = without a god...NOT WITHOUT A BELIEF IN A GOD.

But I understand why you want agnostics to be in your ranks. It would greatly increase the intellectual level of the group if you could pull it off.

My 6 year old used to call himself Spiderman. Was he?

Beats me. I do not know your 6 year old...and I do not know Spiderman...although I have a great picture of me with Spiderman in Times Square. But...ask yourself this: Have you ever seen Spiderman and your 6 yar old in the same room at the same time?

And as described in my post, you place a very safe bet that gods do not exist.

Your bullshit about "safe bets that gods do not exist"...are childish. Are you sure you were talking about your 6 year old?

You have placed the bet for life. You don't even think about it anynore.

It is possible there is at least one god. If there is...and that god expects me to follow some rules it sets up, it can kiss my ass.

You can wail and gnash your teeth and write just as many verbose, emotional pile of crap posts as you like, and all of the above will always be true.

What I said will always be true.

Sorry, Atheist Frank. These words existed before your soulless body was ejected from your progenitor.

I am not an atheist. You have got to figure out an easier way to improve the intellectual level of atheism.

 

[quip]

You have confused yourself again.

The agnostic atheist -- i.e, all agnostics -- simply places a safe bet that gods don't exist and lives their life acccordingly, giving as much thought to gods as they do unicorns or Leprechauns.

In pragmatic terms, they assume gods don't exist or make any difference, when doing or thinking anything at all.

Which is just rational behavior.

Hasty generalization. In pragmatic terms, this guttural utterance may be duly dismissed.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Hasty generalization. In pragmatic terms, this guttural utterance may be duly dismissed.

He seems to think he has hit on some brilliant way to insist that agnostics are atheists, Quip.

Atheists and theists are mirror images of each other. One group blindly guesses one way...the other group blindly guesses the other way.

Yeah, I can understand atheists wanting agnostics to be considered atheists. Agnostics are much less inclined to make the kinds of blind guesses that atheists and theists make. They WOULD improve the intellectual level of atheism

But no matter how much they beg us to be one of them...it ain't gonna happen.

Plead away atheists...but you are going to be disappointed.

 

[devildavid]

He seems to think he has hit on some brilliant way to insist that agnostics are atheists, Quip.

Atheists and theists are mirror images of each other. One group blindly guesses one way...the other group blindly guesses the other way.

Yeah, I can understand atheists wanting agnostics to be considered atheists. Agnostics are much less inclined to make the kinds of blind guesses that atheists and theists make. They WOULD improve the intellectual level of atheism

But no matter how much they beg us to be one of them...it ain't gonna happen.

Plead away atheists...but you are going to be disappointed.

Anything said about gods can only be a blind guess, including the possibility of them.

 

[Galactic Spin]

Hasty generalization. In pragmatic terms, this guttural utterance may be duly dismissed.

That's your excuse for running like a little sissy.

You do this about 8 times in every thread.

 

[devildavid]

Rose bush fertilizer!

It is possible no gods exist...and it also is possible there is at least one god.

People who choose to use "atheist" as a descriptor just want to blindly guess there are no gods.

In doing so...they are doing what they fault theists for doing.

Ummm...ah, never mind. You know what I was thinking!

People who want to call gods possible are making a blind guess.

 

[Galactic Spin]

He seems to think he has hit on some brilliant way to insist that agnostics are atheists, Quip.

Yeah, a dictionary and etymology.

Atheist Frank, words mean what they mean.

You make the safe bet that there are no gods. Yu are what you are.

Your aren't going to puke a verbose, emotional pile of posts and slither out from under that.

 

[Galactic Spin]

People who want to call gods possible are making a blind guess.

They are just crafting a null hypothesis that anything is possible, with magic.

It's not insightful. Or smart. Or witty. It's an old and useless philosophical position that just creates space for them to say nothing at all, over and over and over.

Which they will surely do.

Plug in "8th dimensional rainbow unicorn" for "god" in all of their posts. It makes the posts bearable, yet doesn't change their meaning at all.

 

[devildavid]

C'mon. I claim it is possible there are no gods...and it also is possible there is at least one god. I do that because it is totally logical...and unassailable. WITHOUT A DOUBT...there either are no gods...or there is at least one god.

Yes see my response to up above.



One does not need evidence to say it is possible. THERE IS NO DOUBT WHATEVER EITHER THERE ARE NO GODS...OR THERE IS AT LEAST ONE GOD.

Either is possible at this point.

But...you being a believer, are going to insist there are no gods. You will defend this blind guess of yours every bit as much as the theists here will defend their blind guesses.

It is kinda cute.


People should KNOW there is the possibility of a creator god. It is a possibility. Anyone who is logical will understand it is the logical thing to do. But some people, like you, believe it is impossible...and will defend that blind guess every bit as much as one of those theist types.

It is cute.


And most atheists, like you, blindly guess that there are no gods...and hold to that faith with the same tenacity as the theists hold to theirs.

Cute...but not very logical.

Yes, I agree. You atheists blindly guess there are none. And you hold onto that bit of faith with as much fervor as the theists hold onto theirs.

Keep it up, my friend. Great discussion.

You can call something possible but it doesn’t make it possible. If something is made up such that it is claimed it can never be detected in any way it doesn’t follow that such a thing is possible. All that shows is that such a thing can be made up. Human imagination is not the measure of what is possible or not.

 

[Revelation]

Yeah, a dictionary and etymology.

Atheist Frank, words mean what they mean.

You make the safe bet that there are no gods. Yu are what you are.

Your aren't going to puke a verbose, emotional pile of posts and slither out from under that.

gotta wonder who is closer to faith: an agnostic or atheist; it would seem that the agnostic is being much more realistic, he knows that his knowledge is way under 1% of all all knowledge. the agnostic does the Reasonable thing and declare he doesn't know.

not the atheist, he is guessing there is no God.......but he doesn't really know. in reality an atheist is an agnostic.

be blessed.

 

[Revelation]

You can call something possible but it doesn’t make it possible. If something is made up such that it is claimed it can never be detected in any way it doesn’t follow that such a thing is possible. All that shows is that such a thing can be made up. Human imagination is not the measure of what is possible or not.

you may not ever detect there is a God, that doesn't mean God doesn't exist. you Will meet him, try meeting him on Better terms.

blessings.

 

[Galactic Spin]

gotta wonder who is closer to faith: an agnostic or atheist; it would seem that the agnostic is being much more realistic, he knows that his knowledge is way under 1% of all all knowledge. the agnostic does the Reasonable thing and declare he doesn't know.

not the atheist, he is guessing there is no God.......but he doesn't really know. in reality an atheist is an agnostic.

be blessed.

Agnostics are really all atheists.

If you stick to etymology.

I don't know too many gnostic atheists.

 

[devildavid]

gotta wonder who is closer to faith: an agnostic or atheist; it would seem that the agnostic is being much more realistic, he knows that his knowledge is way under 1% of all all knowledge. the agnostic does the Reasonable thing and declare he doesn't know.

not the atheist, he is guessing there is no God.......but he doesn't really know. in reality an atheist is an agnostic.

be blessed.

Agnosticism is the position that we can’t know anything about gods. It is not a position that asserts gods are possible.

Atheism is the position of not believing in gods. It recognizes that gods are subjects of belief, not knowledge. It also doesn’t assert that gods are possible or not. Belief is not assertion. But some here want to call everything a belief, AKA a blind guess. They falsely claim to know that gods are possible, which cannot be done, as there is not knowledge of gods. But there are plenty of beliefs about gods.

 

[devildavid]

you may not ever detect there is a God, that doesn't mean God doesn't exist. you Will meet him, try meeting him on Better terms.

blessings.

I don’t believe in gods, so I am not looking to detect one.

 

[Galactic Spin]

Agnosticism is the position that we can’t know anything about gods. It is not a position that asserts gods are possible.

Ding ding ding

Agnosticism admits gods may be impossible.