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What is the moral difference between Robert E Lee and German Generals like Herman Goring, Alfred Jodl and Wilhelm Keitel?

Good question.

Those German generals were fighting for their country.

Just as General Lee was (hear tell that he did not want the South to secede, but he felt loyalty to the South when it did. Remember: Many people assumed that a state could secede, since the Constitution is mum on the topic).

The American generals who fought in Vietnam and Iraq were also fighting for their country.

As far as the "morality" is concerned, that is up to each general.

Who knows? Maybe some generals throughout history have resigned rather than fight in what they consider to be an immoral war. (Are there some Russian generals who are dragging their feet because they are appalled by the war in Ukraine?)
 
Robert E Lee led a military rebellion that resulted in the deaths of 620,000 American deaths. Germany and Japan killed less than 300,000 Americans. Do the math
 
Fearandloathing said:
That I've heard of Robert E. Lee?

What's the prize anyway?
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Really?
You've never heard of any of them?
They're pretty famous as far as Nazi's go and most people with any interest in WW2 know of them.
I'm pretty sure I learned about them in school and I've seen many documentaries about the Nuremberg Trial.

I'm not criticising, i'm just genuinly surprised you haven't heard of them.
 
Yes_Minister said:
What is the moral difference between Robert E Lee and German Generals like Alfred Jodl and Wilhelm Keitel?

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A better comparisan would be Robert E. Lee with Erwin Rommel. Both great generals, both in military strategy and tactics fighting on the losing side. Both are studied at the United States Army Command and General Staff College at Ft. Leavenworth, KS. The one's you mentioned aren't.

Even so, I have to wonder why someone would still insist on fighting a war that's been over for 157 years.

Nonetheless, if you want comparisons, Lee and Rommel are the ones.
 
WHAT'S THE TIME TODAY?

Yes_Minister said:
What is the moral difference between Robert E Lee and German Generals like Alfred Jodl and Wilhelm Keitel?

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What a silly question! The answer is pathetically obvious.

First of all, R E Lee is from an entirely different generation. He died in 1870 and Germany decreed that it was a One Party State in 1933 (called "Nazi") - that's 66-years later (or two-thirds of a century)!

The date doesn't matter? Of course it does. History is a matter of dates because it changes so frequently over time. Nominally because that is the way humans evolve. Times come and go, and sometimes they come back. But, there are moments of history that remain longer. After all, the Roman Empire lasted close to a thousand years! (Didn't know that, did you?)

Yes, today, Uncle Sam is not anywhere near à thousand years old!

And, it seems, some people don't understand that manner of evolution of both Time&Mankind - that is, we are uncontrovertibly together year-after-year after year. Time changes and so do we-the-sheeple.

So, what's the "time" today!?! Now THAT is a difficult question ... !
 
Ouroboros said:
The first served a secession movement that was justified by the Tenth Amendment. The others served a regime that came about through assassination and intimidation.
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Actually the Nazis came to power legally, through a coalition government between the Nazis and other parties and Hitler was appointed Chancellor by the German President as part of this coalition.
 
Lafayette said:
WHAT'S THE TIME TODAY?



What a silly question! The answer is pathetically obvious.

First of all, R E Lee is from an entirely different generation. He died in 1870 and Germany decreed that it was a One Party State in 1933 (called "Nazi") - that's 66-years later (or two-thirds of a century)!

The date doesn't matter? Of course it does. History is a matter of dates because it changes so frequently over time. Nominally because that is the way humans evolve. Times come and go, and sometimes they come back. But, there are moments of history that remain longer. After all, the Roman Empire lasted close to a thousand years! (Didn't know that, did you?)

Yes, today, Uncle Sam is not anywhere near à thousand years old!

And, it seems, some people don't understand that manner of evolution of both Time&Mankind - that is, we are uncontrovertibly together year-after-year after year. Time changes and so do we-the-sheeple.

So, what's the "time" today!?! Now THAT is a difficult question ... !
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I am making a moral point, not a historical one. The people who make arguments that Lee should be beloved and respected today talk about his military abilities and the fact he fought for his country and you can apply those same arguments to WW2 German generals.
 
CLAX1911 said:
So did the North. Slavery wasn't the issue that the civil war was fought over.
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The North was getting rid of slavery and the Confederates wanted to keep it.
 
CLAX1911 said:
That wasn't the reason there was a civil war.
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Then what was? States Rights? Was owning slaves one of the rights the Confederates were fighting for?

Someone can claim WW2 was about the Treaty of Versailles and not Antisemitism, but that clearly is an incomplete picture.
 
TheParser said:
Good question.

Those German generals were fighting for their country.

Just as General Lee was (hear tell that he did not want the South to secede, but he felt loyalty to the South when it did. Remember: Many people assumed that a state could secede, since the Constitution is mum on the topic).

The American generals who fought in Vietnam and Iraq were also fighting for their country.

As far as the "morality" is concerned, that is up to each general.

Who knows? Maybe some generals throughout history have resigned rather than fight in what they consider to be an immoral war. (Are there some Russian generals who are dragging their feet because they are appalled by the war in Ukraine?)
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Lee was the only US General from VA who sided with his slave state over his country. He was also the only one who owned slaves.

He fought against the country that trained him and to whom he committed his military service.
 
CLAX1911 said:
That wasn't the reason there was a civil war.
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The extention of slavery to the west was the primary cause of the Civil War.

That a plurality of Americans don't know this speaks to the need for the 1619 Projesct and CRT in schools.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Then what was? States Rights?
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it was a number of reasons.
Was owning slaves one of the rights the Confederates were fighting for?
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I don't think so is loading slaves was something rich people did. Could you see yourself going to war for someone else's Ferrari or yacht?
Someone can claim WW2 was about the Treaty of Versailles and not Antisemitism, but that clearly is an incomplete picture.
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world war II was thought about anti-semitism. We didn't even know about the Holocaust until some Russian troops stumbled upon I believe it was Dachau that was it April 1945 the US entered the world war II in 1941 to say it was about something nobody knew about it until after 3 years of fighting is absurd.

It's just that we at this point look at that it's such a horrible thing and it was. But it wasn't what we went to war over.

You don't go to war for things like that. You have to get people to take up God said risk their lives so it's got to be something that is in their heart.

The primary reason for the Civil war was over secession. Southern States decided to secede.

There was a number of reasons for this some of them were related to slavery but not so much in the practice is so bad we need to kill 300,000 people on our side to end it nobody cared that much about that. Not at that time.
 
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