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What is single payer NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE

OK. Why not make medicare state run?
As far as I'm concerned ALL such programs should be state sponsored. When the states aren't financially accountable for the programs they enact then we end up with runaway costs and fraud. That's kind of why the Constitution was set up as it was. The idea was ALWAYS to make the states accountable to the people and the federal government accountable to the states. When everyone that can be held accountable for legislation is farther and farther removed from the people then the people lose power and we cease being a Republic as we trend more and more toward becoming a single state, parliamentary style of government.
 
A major problem with the entire idea is no economic figures were attached. Strange ideas always seem great until included in the budget.

Certainly it would be an experiment, which is exactly why a state-level implementation to provide proof-of-concept would be helpful.
 
It'll be fine. They will come up with a phone app for medical procedures and diagnosis. Heck, if you've ever been to a "Minute Clinic" at CVS that's pretty much what they do anyway.
Where did you get this idiotic idea from? Nothing will change about how the diagnosis and procedures happen. We are merely changing how it is being paid for and limit the excess profits of insurance, pharmaceuticals, and hospital groups.

In the US we pay twice as much as countries with universal healthcare and have worse outcomes because our health isn't the property but instead, it is making a profit.

OK. Why not make medicare state run?
Why would you want to do that? Many states have privatized Medicaid into an HMO and the results have been a disaster for the heath of the sick and the poor when they are denied care to increase profits.
 
In my town is a community owned hospital who has turned away offers from conglomerates. Fortunately this town is close to an excellent "university" hospital.

Yes we've got it covered.
 
Single-Payer National Health Insurance

Single-payer national health insurance is a nonprofit system in which a single public or quasi-public agency organizes health financing, but delivery of care remains largely in private hands.

Currently, the U.S. health care system is outrageously expensive, yet inadequate. Despite health expenditures of $10,348 per person in 2016, more than twice that of other industrialized nations, the United States performs poorly in comparison on major health indicators such as life expectancy, infant mortality, and chronic disease.

Moreover, those same industrialized nations provide comprehensive coverage to their entire populations, while the U.S. leaves 28 million people completely uninsured and another 41 million underinsured, i.e. inadequately protected in the event of illness of medical need.

The reason we spend more and get less than the rest of the world is because of our heavy reliance on a highly inefficient, dysfunctional patchwork of private and largely for-profit payers.

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Physicians would either be paid on a fee-for-service basis according to a negotiated formulary or receive a salary from a hospital or nonprofit HMO/group practice. Hospitals would receive a lump-sum annual budget for operating expenses. Health facilities and expensive equipment purchases would be managed by regional health planning boards. The new system would also have the bargaining clout to negotiate lower costs for pharmaceutical drugs, medical equipment, and other supplies.

The system would be affordable. It would retain current levels of public funding, which now account for about two-thirds of U.S. health spending. Modest new taxes, based on ability to pay, would replace premiums and out-of-pocket payments currently paid by individuals and businesses. The vast majority of households would pay less for care than they do now. Costs would be controlled through negotiated fees, global budgeting and bulk purchasing.

Other nations have demonstrated that single-payer health systems work, and work well.

As William Hsiao, Ph.D., professor of economics at the Harvard School of Public Health and the designer of Taiwan’s successful single-payer system, observed in a 2009 New York Times interview: “You can have universal coverage and good quality health care while still managing to control costs. But you have to have a single-payer system to do it.”


I appreciate the post, but you are doing it wrong.

Quote quoted items in 1. italics, OR 2. the quote tags provided by the forum. And then, you are not supposed to quote more than three paragraphs ( use your judgement )
because of DMCA rules on copyright.

On top or below, the quoted region, give your thoughts on it, a paragraph or two, see, YOU are supposed to supply the argument, and the link and quoted text is there to back up your argument. What you have done is let an article to your work for you, and that is not the purpose of this forum.

Now, you may have done that but we can't tell because you haven't separated quoted text from your text ( if, indeed, you provided it). Moreover, no link back to the source?

I know you have cut and pasted because of the transferred hyperlinked text, which occurs with cut and pasted hyperlinked text.

You've been here long enough, I should think you would know this?
 
Why would you want to do that? Many states have privatized Medicaid into an HMO and the results have been a disaster for the heath of the sick and the poor when they are denied care to increase profits.
Point went over your head.
 
If States administered Single Payer, it is once again adding complexity with 50 individual State programs that would have to coordinate efforts and legislation with each other. Eliminating complexity is a major goal of Single Payer, and should be a hallmark moving forward.
 
Then explain it again so I understand it if you claim that I missed your previous meaning.
You should probably read the post i was quoting in that comment otherwise it wont make sense.
 
You should probably read the post i was quoting in that comment otherwise it wont make sense.
I did read it, It still doesn't make any more sense than it did the first time I read it. Your attempt to spin is amusing, but not successful.
 
" Physicians would either be paid on a fee-for-service basis according to a negotiated formulary or receive a salary from a hospital or nonprofit HMO/group practice. "

Have the physicians signed up for this? Does this represent a pay-cut? Do medical school expenses mysteriously disappear? Who handles medical liability? Wouldn't making a career as a doctor less attractive mean that wait times to see a doctor with the increased demand off 100% coverage would extend out significantly?

From what I read, they will earn a little less, their salary will match the average salaries doctors earn around the world. As far as making the career less attractive, I agree. For may who're primarily motivated by the pay, many will choose another career. But even with reduced salaries we'll still attract as many doctors as required. There are 44 thousand Americans who receive no healthcare now, allowing them access to doctors is well worth a small increase in wait times.

Also keep in mind, hundreds of thousands of people who care about and want to help others are motivated by altruism, not money, something may conservatives just can't grasp. Trump summed it up well, what's in it for them?...
 
From what I read, they will earn a little less, their salary will match the average salaries doctors earn around the world. As far as making the career less attractive, I agree. For may who're primarily motivated by the pay, many will choose another career. But even with reduced salaries we'll still attract as many doctors as required. There are 44 thousand Americans who receive no healthcare now, allowing them access to doctors is well worth a small increase in wait times.

Also keep in mind, hundreds of thousands of people who care about and want to help others are motivated by altruism, not money, something may conservatives just can't grasp. Trump summed it up well, what's in it for them?...

Wanting to help others doesn't pay back medical school loans like $250k or more a year does. Doctors in Taiwan make about $100k a year.
 
Wanting to help others doesn't pay back medical school loans like $250k or more a year does. Doctors in Taiwan make about $100k a year.
If we had subsided post-12 education like other developed countries that would not be a problem.

If you went into medicine for the money then it's likely that you are a piss poor doctor who doesn't care about the health and well-being of your patients. Obre had a few of them and people should be warned to stay away from them because unless it's a very simple medication problem people tend to get hurt because those doctors don't want to spend the time with a correct diagnosis.
 
I did read it, It still doesn't make any more sense than it did the first time I read it. Your attempt to spin is amusing, but not successful.
No you didn't. Again read the person I quoted. Still doesn't make sense than I can't help you. Swoosh.
 
If we had subsided post-12 education like other developed countries that would not be a problem.

So now you want higher taxes for health care and for subsidized post secondary education? From what I've seen, subsidized post-secondary education is much more competitive in those countries. Not every gets to go to college, and that decided for you.

If you went into medicine for the money then it's likely that you are a piss poor doctor who doesn't care about the health and well-being of your patients. Obre had a few of them and people should be warned to stay away from them because unless it's a very simple medication problem people tend to get hurt because those doctors don't want to spend the time with a correct diagnosis.

You paint with a wider brush than Christo.
 
So now you want higher taxes for health care and for subsidized post secondary education? From what I've seen, subsidized post-secondary education is much more competitive in those countries. Not every gets to go to college, and that decided for you.



You paint with a wider brush than Christo.
We would be paying less overall for universal healthcare because we would not p be paying for private health insurance as we do now. Currently, we in the US pay almost $12,000 a year in premiums and co-pays for healthcare while people in countries with universal healthcare pay half or 2/3rd that amount.

Subsidized college is an investment that more than pays off by the slightly higher taxes. Most of those taxes would be paid by the higher tax brackets (500K+) that have been the recipients of tax cuts and rebates by the GOP in the past 50 years.

I've had many doctors and those who are in it for the money caused problems. I had one idiot who admitted that he had never treated my condition and had to look it up on Wikipedia before he changed the dose and my health went downhill very quickly because of his mistake. I had another Dr make the wrong diagnosis and then instead of considering the possibility that he was wrong he just added more and more meds to try to cover up the problems that ging me the wrong medications created. I was talking about 6 different medications every day and I was virtually a zombie for it. I refer to him as Dr. Dirtbag because he was very proud of his ego wall of various diplomas and certificates that he made you pass by on the way to his office.

I had a religious shrink who refused to take my insurance that he previously claimed to accept and would only treat me if I paid in cash before treatment. I refused to do so and he had me escorted out of his office and sent me a bill for that refusal. I sent the bill and a statement of his actions to the state medical board for their investigation. I found out from 3 other people that behavior was SOP from him because he wanted to be paid under the table.
 
There is zero hard evidence that we taxpayers would be paying more with our tax dollars ........it's all political rhetoric aka misinformation aka lies.

How can anyone support using health care dollars to support political campaigns?
 
Health Insurance-for-All would:





Provide citizens 3 choices. Let us vote/select our choice.


=== RETAIN ObamaCare insurance for those who are pleased or apprehensive to change or believe paying more is fun.


=== Self financed health care allows those who can afford to pay out of pocket the opportunity to do so.


=== Provide Single Payer Medicare for ALL = excellent coverage for millions upon millions upon millions. Open this door.


Who would Single Payer benefit immediately ?


Senior Citizens


Disabled Vets and their dependents


College Students


Single Parents


Parents who have become victims of child custody battles


Middle Class America


New College Grads


(Why not convert VA Health Care Centers into Single Payer Health Care Centers?)
 
Single-Payer National Health Insurance

Single-payer national health insurance is a nonprofit system in which a single public or quasi-public agency organizes health financing, but delivery of care remains largely in private hands.

Currently, the U.S. health care system is outrageously expensive, yet inadequate. Despite health expenditures of $10,348 per person in 2016, more than twice that of other industrialized nations, the United States performs poorly in comparison on major health indicators such as life expectancy, infant mortality, and chronic disease.

Moreover, those same industrialized nations provide comprehensive coverage to their entire populations, while the U.S. leaves 28 million people completely uninsured and another 41 million underinsured, i.e. inadequately protected in the event of illness of medical need.

The reason we spend more and get less than the rest of the world is because of our heavy reliance on a highly inefficient, dysfunctional patchwork of private and largely for-profit payers.

Private insurers waste our health care dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: bloated overhead costs, including underwriting, tracking, billing, and sales and marketing campaigns, as well as exorbitant executive pay and an overweening imperative to deliver maximum returns to private shareholders.

In addition to this above, doctors and hospitals have to maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the complex bureaucracy stemming from this patchwork of multiple payers.

As a result, administrative costs consume about one-third (31 percent) of Americans’ health dollars, most of which is waste.

Single-payer financing, i.e. the elimination of the private-insurer middlemen and their replacement by a single, streamlined, nonprofit agency that pays all medical bills, is the only way to recapture this wasted money. The potential savings on paperwork, more than $500 billion per year, is enough to provide comprehensive coverage to everyone in the country without increasing overall U.S. health spending.

Under a single-payer system, all residents of the United States would be covered for all medically necessary services, including doctor, hospital, preventive, long-term care, mental health, reproductive health care, dental, vision, prescription drugs, and medical supply costs. Patients would no longer face financial barriers to care such as copays and deductibles, and would regain free choice of doctor and hospital. Doctors would regain autonomy over patient care.

Physicians would either be paid on a fee-for-service basis according to a negotiated formulary or receive a salary from a hospital or nonprofit HMO/group practice. Hospitals would receive a lump-sum annual budget for operating expenses. Health facilities and expensive equipment purchases would be managed by regional health planning boards. The new system would also have the bargaining clout to negotiate lower costs for pharmaceutical drugs, medical equipment, and other supplies.

The system would be affordable. It would retain current levels of public funding, which now account for about two-thirds of U.S. health spending. Modest new taxes, based on ability to pay, would replace premiums and out-of-pocket payments currently paid by individuals and businesses. The vast majority of households would pay less for care than they do now. Costs would be controlled through negotiated fees, global budgeting and bulk purchasing.

Other nations have demonstrated that single-payer health systems work, and work well.

As William Hsiao, Ph.D., professor of economics at the Harvard School of Public Health and the designer of Taiwan’s successful single-payer system, observed in a 2009 New York Times interview: “You can have universal coverage and good quality health care while still managing to control costs. But you have to have a single-payer system to do it.”
I always get a big laugh when single payer advocates talk about how the government running the system will reduce overhead. When has the EVER happened in a federal government run business? Post Office? Amtrak? Buehler?
 
Wanting to help others doesn't pay back medical school loans like $250k or more a year does. Doctors in Taiwan make about $100k a year.

Good point, although med school costs less in other countries, we have the most expensive then the vast majority of schools around the world. Although we will have to look at alternate methods of repayment. Use of GME, the continuation of formal training for physicians after they've completed medical school is a possity and I believe the government will have to step in at some point. There're advantages and disadvantages of both systems, I'll take the one that covers the most Americans...
 
If States administered Single Payer, it is once again adding complexity with 50 individual State programs that would have to coordinate efforts and legislation with each other. Eliminating complexity is a major goal of Single Payer, and should be a hallmark moving forward.

Figuring out how a national single-payer would be administered is one thing (e.g., Medicare breaks the country up into a number of regions for administrative purposes), but suggesting a state ought to try out the model first before we pursue it at the national level is a different thing altogether. I've been suggesting the latter.
 
Good point, although med school costs less in other countries, we have the most expensive then the vast majority of schools around the world. Although we will have to look at alternate methods of repayment. Use of GME, the continuation of formal training for physicians after they've completed medical school is a possity and I believe the government will have to step in at some point. There're advantages and disadvantages of both systems, I'll take the one that covers the most Americans...
I'm guessing you aren't a doctor with student loans.
 
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