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That day has arrived. You are free to say that you are a millionaire. It's perfectly legalI am waiting for the day when I can say I am a millionaire and voila...it's true just because I say it is...:2razz:
Is it biological or a social construct? You need to make up your mind. Why does someone have to live within the social construct of being Male just because of biology?
Because income is not subjectiveHow about the day when you can say "I'm poor" and get Medicaid, SNAP, subsidized rent and pay no (or negative) federal income tax?
CorrectIf gender did not matter (and was declared separate and distinct from one's sex) then there could be one gender or a gender for each person.
The same way? What way is that?The same way one's gender is no longer determined by one's biological sex - they become matters of self-definition.
Because income is not subjective
That day has arrived. You are free to say that you are a millionaire. It's perfectly legal
And maybe the law will changeAt present no, yet neither was gender when it was tied to (determined by?) biological sex.
Who cares what your bank accounts say?Sure, I can say anything but is it real? My bank account says NO...my pocketbook says NO...I am rich in other ways, though, that money cannot begin to compare...I'm just not a millionaire, no matter how many times I SAY/THINK/BELIEVE I am...not gonna happen...
And how did gender become no longer determined by one's biological sex?The same way one's gender is no longer determined by one's biological sex - they become matters of self-definition.
Who cares what your bank accounts say?
FIGHT THE POWER!!
And how did gender become no longer determined by one's biological sex?
How did it become self-determined?When it became self-determined.
How did it become self-determined?
It seems the idea of gender is vague. And that there is inherent contradiction within progressive thought on this issue.
On the one hand, gender stereotypes are frowned upon and equality is emphasized, on the other hand, the very idea of claiming to be a gender infers some kind of stereotype.
So what does it mean to be a male, or female gender?
It seems any description one would give, could be seen as an insulting stereotype to someone else claiming that gender, but lacks that quality just claimed.
For instance if someone claims they are female in gender, becasue they feel strong e emotions, or like the touch of a strong man, it seems to deminish someone else who claims female gender yet isn’t emotional and doesn’t like men.
It seems the logical conclusion is gender is purely construct, and subjective.
but if it’s subjective, why make a big deal about it when others disagree?
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Gender norms don't mean anything. My grandfather thought I was weird because I would cook dinner for my ex wife (I preferred it to starving, but it was fun). I was a stay at home father for a short time. Everybody has to live their own truth. My truth isn't your truth, and your truth isn't someone else's truth.
Gender in modern parlance is not sex and has nothing to do with biology. I'm not the one that's making up these definitions.
Gender is the conceptual framework we provide, which brings with it our cultural preconceptions about what defines gender irregardless of the validity of those cultural standards. I think that's the first thing to be noted in regards to an analysis of this question, we are not blank slate observers here, but have massive cultural baggage.It seems the idea of gender is vague. And that there is inherent contradiction within progressive thought on this issue.
On the one hand, gender stereotypes are frowned upon and equality is emphasized, on the other hand, the very idea of claiming to be a gender infers some kind of stereotype.
So what does it mean to be a male, or female gender?
It seems any description one would give, could be seen as an insulting stereotype to someone else claiming that gender, but lacks that quality just claimed.
For instance if someone claims they are female in gender, becasue they feel strong e emotions, or like the touch of a strong man, it seems to deminish someone else who claims female gender yet isn’t emotional and doesn’t like men.
It seems the logical conclusion is gender is purely construct, and subjective.
but if it’s subjective, why make a big deal about it when others disagree?
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Those that claim gender has nothing to do with biological sex seem to ignore that transgender people dress in clothing designed specifically for biological sexes.
Womens underwear, bras, clothing etc were designed not to cater to the feelings of women, but to cater to their physical bodies. A man who feels like a woman has no reason to wear women's clothing because women's clothing is based around the biological sex of women. The same is true for men's clothing. There's nothing masculine about wearing regular men's underwear. It's just called common sense since having tight, closed-off fabric squashing your genitals is uncomfortable and dangerous.
In other words, a lot of the notions associated with gender that have often been passed off as a mere social construct are actually the result of millions of years of human evolution. Society didn't just one day decide that having muscles and a thick beard is masculine. Traditionally, men were the hunters and fighters in their tribes so this led to an increase in testosterone - which is what's responsible for muscle production and hair growth.
This can be applied anywhere. Bathrooms - they weren't made to help women feel more girly, or men feel more masculine and brutish. They were designed to help men and women take a dump more hygienically and privately without feeling uncomfortable over exposing themselves. Trans people have no business (or right) to use the bathroom of the sex they feel like. Bathrooms are designed around physical considerations so if you have a penis or are attracted to women you have no right to be in there. I'm on board with people feeling like whatever the hell they want to be. But keep your imaginary playtime to your imagination and don't force it upon society.
Tl;DR - every "social construct" of gender is more or less based around biological and evolutionary traits of men and women, which means they are not social constructs at all.
Ok, then why are people upset about people changing their social construct?
No oneWho officially assigns someone a "gender identity" and on what basis?
Ok, then why are people upset about people changing their social construct?
I think you mean sexuality and dominance/submissive hierarchy. Gender has was always a nice way of saying "Does the baby have a penis or a vagina?" SJW's have hijacked the words sorta like how they like to call heterosexual white males "cisgenders" because it sounds more evil.
Gender is about masculinity and femininity which are bad words for defining how someone behaves. It pertains more to dominance/submissiveness in a backhanded way.
I think you mean sexuality and dominance/submissive hierarchy.
Gender has was always a nice way of saying "Does the baby have a penis or a vagina?" SJW's have hijacked the words sorta like how they like to call heterosexual white males "cisgenders" because it sounds more evil.
Gender is about masculinity and femininity which are bad words for defining how someone behaves. It pertains more to dominance/submissiveness in a backhanded way.
Those that claim gender has nothing to do with biological sex seem to ignore that transgender people dress in clothing designed specifically for biological sexes.
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