What is a job nobody wants?

[mikhail]

Basically what is meant by a job nobody wants? also who gets to decide what consitutes a job nobody wants?

If your judging it by pay maybe if nobody wants that job because the pay is to low isnt that more of an indicator people should be payed more for doing that job?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Basically what is meant by a job nobody wants?

A shitty unskilled or unprofessional job with little pay.

also who gets to decide what consitutes a job nobody wants?

The market.

If your judging it by pay maybe if nobody wants that job because the pay is to low isnt that more of an indicator people should be payed more for doing that job?

Thats not the way the market works. The jobs exist and must be done, and there are people willing to do them, so they get filled. If no one would do it, including the illegals, then wages might go up.

 

[talloulou]

Basically what is meant by a job nobody wants? also who gets to decide what consitutes a job nobody wants?

If your judging it by pay maybe if nobody wants that job because the pay is to low isnt that more of an indicator people should be payed more for doing that job?

Some jobs have huge turnover rates where employees are hard to keep. Slaughter house would be one that immediately comes to mind. Others just require too much ball busting physical work with low return such as picking fruit.

 

[americanwoman]

Some jobs have huge turnover rates where employees are hard to keep. Slaughter house would be one that immediately comes to mind. .

I live near about 3 slaughter houses and I can say they are always up for help and are mostly employed by immigrants. It used to be mostly polish and czech immigrants working there and now it's mostly hispanic and sudanese ones that work there. Give it another generation and it will be the next crop of immigrants from who knows where. The second and third generations are usually the ones that get an education and move on to better jobs.

 

[WI Crippler]

What is a job nobody wants????

Rosie O' Donnells matress??

Anyway, I understand the premis of the question. There is all this talk about jobs Americans won't do, but before this immigration crap, we weren't exactly stalled out as a nation economically, because we didn't have enough employees. What happened was, illegal immigration laws weren't enforced, and the market took advantage of it. If we cut all the illegals out of jobs there may be a slight drop off in production, but those were jobs that were created by the volume of workers people employed at a low rate, not necessarily because Americans themselves would not do the job itself.

 

[faminedynasty]

It's true that it is an important distiction that they aren't jobs that Americans aren't willing to do, but rather jobs that Americans aren't willing to do without decent pay. I've worked jobs as hard as about any conceivable physical labor. They had to pay me a little bit to do it.

 

[americanwoman]

What is a job nobody wants????

Rosie O' Donnells matress??

:lamo



..but just the thought of that.... :2sick1:

 

[WI Crippler]

:lamo



..but just the thought of that.... :2sick1:

I'd rather be the bed than the tampon.......

 

[americanwoman]

I'd rather be the bed than the tampon.......

dude, come on, it's waaaaay to early for that level of grossness :mrgreen:

 

[WI Crippler]

dude, come on, it's waaaaay to early for that level of grossness :mrgreen:

Well thats the way of the Marine Corps. We think of more nastiness by 8 o'clock in the morning, than most people do in a day......

 

[jamesrage]

Basically what is meant by a job nobody wants? also who gets to decide what consitutes a job nobody wants?

If your judging it by pay maybe if nobody wants that job because the pay is to low isnt that more of an indicator people should be payed more for doing that job?

Of course.There is this thing called supply and demand.Businesses compete for costumers,so why shouldn't businesses compete for legal employees as well?

 

[Sergeant Stinger1]

Heres the jobs nobody wants:
1- Nobody except the real hardcore Cons wants to :kissass Bush.
2- Nobody wants to do the jobs the illegals are doing. Wait, let me clarify that, nobody wants to do what the illegals do, work for peanuts.

:rwbelepha like peanuts I am sure they would work for peanuts.

 

[70s_guy]

mikhail, your answer to your question is exactly what I've been saying for years every time I read or hear some politician or pro immigration supporter pose that often used argument. There are dirty little secrets behind that attitude those in power prefer to maintain and not be so open or honest about. Lets say we get rid of illegal immigrants and allow market forces to prevail in setting the wages at low end jobs.

First in the agriculture businesses, since labor is a major cost in some crops, some of our food would raise in price. We Americans would pay more for those food products. No big deal. But some of those crops would not become competively priced on the open world markets as there are other nations producing those foods with dirt cheap labor costs. Thus some of our crops would decline and eventually be squeezed out of production. Anything we grow locally always has a shipping advantage versus overseas products. A country that cannot feed itself is a potentially weak country in crisis situations where it holds little leverage. Thus a reason to support some level of local farming of foodstuffs even if that means tarrifs. But tariffs are a very dirty word to politicians or Wall Street economists as it can cause other non-agricultural products we ship overseas to incur tariffs in turn.

Construction industries used to be one of the highest paying blue color jobs. Just a few decades ago carpenters and orthe building tradespeople made a good living. Then in the 1980s with collusion of politicians, banks, and real estate corps those building homes began being severely undercut in wages, first by non-labor workers, and later by illegal immigrants. Because most of these jobs are sub-contracted, firms bid low while expecting to employ those willing to work for less. Thus a vicious circle of continual wage slide driven by corps knowing well what was going on and in fact promoting it. Basically short term advantages that hurt many Americans while making a few fat cats richer. Funny how as wage costs have gone down, housing costs have gone through the roof. Someone's getting rich at the top and its the usual suspects.

Hotel, motel, and lodging workers are of course one of the latest areas that have become dominated by illegals. Americans used to do those jobs except the pay remained stagnant while cost of living continued to rise. What if we kicked out the illegals and allowed wages to rise? Well your vacation costs might rise. That might cause less people to visit all those resorts and places we have today. Heck we might have to go back to the days just a few decades ago when only a few rich folks actually visited such places and the rest of us enjoyed more modest vacations. Of course again there is big corp money, Wall Street, and bankers involved with the huge travel and leisure activities that is closely connected to the even bigger juggernaut of real estate.

I could go on of course as there are many more areas where illegal immigrants driving down wage costs depress wages.

-dave

 

[The silenced majority]

Basically what is meant by a job nobody wants?

It is considered a job that the pay is not enough or the work is too hard to attract someone willing to do that job for any period of time. Field hands and slaughterhouse workers are the 1st types that come to mind; there are several others.

But then again, if you go by that logic, the same would hold true of the CEO of a major corp. that hires illegal aliens & construction foremen (etc..) that do as well. They aren't willing to do the job legitimately, so they cheat the system to inflate their profits at everyone else's expense.

Apparently the definition of "jobs Americans won't do" may be broader than most think.

Essentially these types aren't willing to do their job at the going rate so they cheat the system to increase their overhead. Yet, all the while they are so hypocritical to smear the American worker who isn't willing to do their dirty work at the sub-par wage they offer. What's most appalling is that the fruits of their efforts get placed on everyone else in the form of higher health care, education costs, taxation to cover civic services like police & law enforcement.

 

[128shot]

It is considered a job that the pay is not enough or the work is too hard to attract someone willing to do that job for any period of time. Field hands and slaughterhouse workers are the 1st types that come to mind; there are several others.
.

Perhaps its time to realize construction workers aren't actually worth 43 dollars an hour (Off top of my head-but what is the going rate for a carpenter nowadays? 25 an hour?)

 

[Lightdemon]

Perhaps its time to realize construction workers aren't actually worth 43 dollars an hour (Off top of my head-but what is the going rate for a carpenter nowadays? 25 an hour?)

25/hr sounds about right. In LA a carpentor makes about 50k/yr.

But I'm sure City wages are different from private companies.

 

[Rahul]

Basically what is meant by a job nobody wants?

Jobs where people are overworked, under paid, and under-appreciated (if at all), so make that about 99 percent of the jobs out there. :beer:

also who gets to decide what consitutes a job nobody wants?

There are defining characterestics one could apply to the job and make a judgement.

If your judging it by pay maybe if nobody wants that job because the pay is to low isnt that more of an indicator people should be payed more for doing that job?

Sure - but it doesn't mean they will be ...