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What is a good age to die?

Mulefoot said:
I have several centenarians on both sides of my family. Within that bunch are some incredibly positive people. Even with those, life seems to begin early stages of grim-ness at 85-90.
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My God! You better budget for a very long retirement!
 

This is why I believe it is critical to have a "love of life itself".

Some do. I've seen it with some around me. They just love life and all it offers. I was blessed to have several like that in my life.

Some others, do not.

I don't know if this "love of life" is a learned or an innate behaviour. But some have it, and some don't.
 
Chomsky said:
Your father sounds like a jewel, and in my humble opinion you could do far worse than trying to emulate him!

I'd also add that your parents being so long-lived bodes well for you. You're a lucky man on multiple fronts.
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You’re absolutely right, Chomsky, I am lucky on all counts. So many of my friends have no parents around anymore to enjoy.

Dad was in the submarine service in the Pacific when he did his tour in the Navy. He was a pretty unique guy, and I never hesitated to try to follow his reputation and notoriety. We both worked for the same company but in different units, and many people used to ask me if I was Larry’s son. He was called a legend to this day by some, because after retiring at age 66, he was hired back immediately as a part-time contract employee to work for another 14 years. He knew and experienced so much in his career. One of a kind.
 

A submariner? That explains it. Those guys are mentally tough!

He sounds like a tough act to follow, Grogu. But that's a good thing!
 

I think that's essential.... that and emotional resilience. You've got to be able to handle the curveballs that life throws at you. No matter how charmed your life is, we all get knocked down sooner or later. Not everyone can get up and brush themselves off and keep going, though.
 

Submariners are definitely a different breed - especially the old salts.
 
"Hope I die before I get old" (My Generation -the Who)
 
If you die at 27, you get to be part of the 27 Club along with Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Kobain, Amy Winehouse, Jim Morrison, and Brian Jones, among others.
 

Great post. I am lucky to have found the one person who makes my life an adventure. But for the most part, I am not a people person so my circle of friends and family is very small. But I do look at each day as a chance to explore and learn. Much of what I explore involves various forms of entertainment. I love music, movies, and tv. And everything that I get into, I love to learn as much about it as I can. I also just have this stubborn desire to see what happens next for better or worse. My approach isn’t quite as joyous as what you describe, but I do still feel like a kid wanting to see more, experience more, and learn more.
 

Yep. "Love of thyself", IMHO, is the key element.

If you motivate your well being dependent upon things outside yourself, what happens when you lose those things?
 
devildavid said:
Great post.
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Thank you!


This is all my humble opinion:

It's great to have partners in life's adventures. But the important thing is those adventures are embraced from one's inner self - firstly & innately.

The reason being, if it doesn't start with you, and you lose your partner, what do you have left?

Everything starts within. We need to hold these good things within, and propagate them upon others; not the other way around.
 
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joluoto said:
It's when you don't want to live, and that's the only time it's ideal to die.
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as Christians, we walk by faith. the Best time to die is when God thinks so; when our ministry down here is done and not one minute before.

my opinion on this is worth Zero, it is God who is my Pilot, King, and light to my path. without God running the show, then it is ALL aimless and meaningless.

start there friends.

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Revelation said:
as Christians, we walk by faith. the Best time to die is when God thinks so; when our ministry down here is done and not one minute before.
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Revelation said:
my opinion on this is worth Zero, it is God who is my Pilot, King, and light to my path. without God running the show, then it is ALL aimless and meaningless.

start there friends.
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I think you wrote this beautifully, and you get my respect for so unabashedly proclaiming your Faith.

I think your Faith expression ("when your ministry is done") also works well in a metaphorical sense in a non-Faith context, as well. Just as "We are all children of God" works well metaphorically outside of a Faith context.

Your use of "ministry" was a golden nugget! Well done!
 
So are you saying you believe that everyone who died in the towers on 9/11 was actually god's will?!!? .... because god thought is was "the best time to die" !??! Just off hand, that seems to make your view of things no different, and no better, than al Qaeda's view.

Either everyone dies on god's timetable, .... or they don't. Which is it?
 
Hate to rain on this parade of positivity, but when people die seems absurd and meaningless to me. There is no such thing as the right time to die or our time being fulfilled just because we die. I take a darker view on the brevity of our lives and its absurdity. I rely on my stubbornness to keep going rather than the idea of fulfilling any purpose. We all cease to exist permanently and there is no positive spin that can be put on this. All we have is life and what we can squeeze out of it. Death is the great equalizer. None of us ultimately matter and there is no meaning to our deaths at all, only to the brief time we live and what meaning we choose to give it.
 

There is no logic to religious logic. It is just 20/20 hindsight applied to everything that happens. It happened, therefore it must be part of god’s plan. Not exactly any intellectual heavy lifting going on.
 
devildavid said:
There is no logic to religious logic. It is just 20/20 hindsight applied to everything that happens. It happened, therefore it must be part of god’s plan. Not exactly any intellectual heavy lifting going on.
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Indeed! I'm always tickled by how often and widespread the use of the word "miracle" comes up among the religious, even sometimes in newspaper headlines, but only in the context of something that is perceived as positive. For example, the deaths in a plane crash are never miracles, but the survivors always are. Such magical thinking always makes me laugh out loud. People never seem to examine their beliefs.

I vividly remember one such event more than 30 years ago when the headline on the NYPost was "MIRACLE BABY!", about an infant that was the sole survivor of a plane crash somewhere in South America. Needless to say, the Post didn't carry the followup story when, after suffering for roughly 30 more hours, the infant succumbed to it's wounds and died. That kind of "miracle" doesn't sell papers, or fit the religious narrative.
 
MamboDervish said:
So are you saying you believe that everyone who died in the towers on 9/11 was actually god's will?!!?
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no, it wasn't God's will my friend.

if you go out to the Parking Lot and shoot yourself, is that 'God's will' ?......of course not, it was Your Will


MamboDervish said:
.... because god thought is was "the best time to die" !??! Just off hand, that seems to make your view of things no different, and no better, than al Qaeda's view.
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if you die in your sleep thru no fault of your own, then it probably was God's will. however if you are at fault in anyway, such as a tree falling on your that should have been taken down years ago falling on your bedroom, then i don't believe it was God's will.


MamboDervish said:
Either everyone dies on god's timetable, .... or they don't. Which is it?
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nope. too many details to wade thru i feel.

if you have an Industrial Accident, slip and fall, then prolly not God's will. sometimes the angels will save you in special cases.
 
What if you could have immortality with perfect health and beauty? What was that song: "Forever Young"? Stay 25 years old forever...

 
ataraxia said:
What if you could have immortality with perfect health and beauty? What was that song: "Forever Young"? Stay 25 years old forever...

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How would you know that you are immortal? What would it feel like? Perfect health and beauty would feel fine even if your weren’t immortal. But what does immortality really add to that if it can”t be felt? And what if everyone else was too? Being immortal and watching loved ones die would be terrible. I don’t get why religion tries to market itself using immortality a s a reward when no one would ever really be able to feel it.
 
Well, it’s the ideal that people want, and the standard they hold medical science and physicians to. Medical science is not going to stop until either it gets there or the price tag gets too expensive and society just gives up and says “that’s good enough”. Until then, medical costs are going to keep going up.

I know a 95 year old who eventually died under the care of their cardiologist, who had been caring for them for decades, and their family was all like “what did the doctor do wrong?”
 
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