What if the UK sided with The Central Powers in WW1?

[Logan Linseisen]

 

[zyzygy]

The history forum is thataway.

 

[zyzygy]

Is it another video that you don't believe?

 

[Logan Linseisen]

The history forum is thataway.

this thread is alternative histories

 

[Logan Linseisen]

Is it another video that you don't believe?

eh. Could of happened.

 

[zyzygy]

this thread is alternative histories

It is usual practice to say something about a posted video and state some of the salient points. Does the video contain an alleged conspiracy theory and if so what is it?

 

[mike2810]

What if a group time traveled back in time and killed all of the known villians parents so they were never born, (Genghis Kahn, Hitler, Stalin, etc). What if they made sure only peaceful loving leaders were elected. What if the earth human population evolved as small agricultural society with no crime, wars, and no weapons. Humans live a simple life with no pollution and a clean balance with nature...


Then a alien race from another universe approached earth. With the humans having no way to defend themselves, earth was quickly taken over by the alien race and decimated.:mrgreen:

I dislike "what if" games.

 

[Helix]

i sometimes wonder what the world would look like today if WWI hadn't happened at all. would there have been a WWII?

 

[ozeco41]

i sometimes wonder what the world would look like today if WWI hadn't happened at all. would there have been a WWII?

I really have to try hard to avoid the obvious numeric series truism - "No".... :mrgreen:

...more seriously - so much of the drive for WW11 came from WW1 derived consequences. I'll leave it to the historians to comment - I don't know enough about Hitler's rise to power..

 

[Helix]

I really have to try hard to avoid the obvious numeric series truism - "No".... :mrgreen:

...more seriously - so much of the drive for WW11 came from WW1 derived consequences. I'll leave it to the historians to comment - I don't know enough about Hitler's rise to power..

my preliminary guess is no, as well. without the crushing consequences of WWI, it seems unlikely that he could have gotten a foothold.

of course, i could be biased by my own opinions. i look at war as a last resort, and have never quite understood why WWI was necessary in the first place. seems like a lot of alliances and brinksmanship gone awry.

 

[ozeco41]

my preliminary guess is no, as well. without the crushing consequences of WWI, it seems unlikely that he could have gotten a foothold.

That is my gut feeling but I'm no historian.

...of course, i could be biased by my own opinions. i look at war as a last resort, and have never quite understood why WWI was necessary in the first place. seems like a lot of alliances and brinksmanship gone awry.

Excuse the engeering analogy but it was a "cascading failure" of unstable linked interdependencies.

With Ferdinand as the butterfly in Brazil - If I can mangle a couple of metaphors. :doh

 

[Helix]

That is my gut feeling but I'm no historian.

Excuse the engeering analogy but it was a "cascading failure" of unstable linked interdependencies.

With Ferdinand as the butterfly in Brazil - If I can mangle a couple of metaphors. :doh

a century later, i like to think that we've learned something. then i turn on the news, and i have to question that.

 

[ozeco41]

a century later, i like to think that we've learned something. then i turn on the news, and i have to question that.

Hard to say.

I spent my early ears during and in the years immediately following WW11 in poor working class country - north of England. Mothers side lowest "socio economic" stratum - coal miners. Dad's side one peg higher - factory workers - copper tube makers. Only in recent years have I realised the good side of that - both sides of family in "protected industries" essential to the war effort - we lost no one to military service.

It is hard to conceive of our western countries subjected to the whole of community commitment that WW11 required. Food and other necessities stringently restricted. I recently saw the movie "The Imitation Game" - the story of Alan Turing, Bletchley Park and enigma. Had this callous old engineer in tears - street scenes of London in the Blitz and 4-5 yo kids lined up wearing their red gas masks for a drill. That brought the tears - I had one of exactly the same gas mask when I was that age. Ruined my image as a hard nosed old b...... << Aussie word - US forums spell it as ****** :lol:

"We" could not win WW11 in today's setting. Given Google Earth - Dresden, Coventry, Hamburg fire storms would be out. I still regularly reference Coventry Cathedral as a "steel framed building which collapsed due to fire" in discussion of WTC 9/11 collapses.


And the whole propaganda ethos of "We're the goodies so we play clean" "They are the baddies - they cheat" and the Nazi Gestapo caricatures which continued in movies through the 50's. Aussie Traffic Cops favoured the "Gestapo Movie Image" of jodhpurs at least through the 60's - IMO a direct consequence of the hate image fostered by the WW11 propaganda machine. today the media reports we see are so often "their" side of the line. Doing that in 1939-45 would have got someone shot.

Better if I [/EndAdrenalineRush] :roll:

 

[KokomoJojo]

my preliminary guess is no, as well. without the crushing consequences of WWI, it seems unlikely that he could have gotten a foothold.

of course, i could be biased by my own opinions. i look at war as a last resort, and have never quite understood why WWI was necessary in the first place. seems like a lot of alliances and brinksmanship gone awry.

yes

competing factions for two things always:

1) money

2) power/control

you have to read the same books they do.

THE GRAND. CHESSBOARD. American Primacy and Its -. Geostrategic Imperatives.

You will find books like this through out history, this one just happened to be another piece of the puzzle that set everything in the ME into motion.

Only need to invent a reason, people dont know any better and follow like sheep.

 

[KokomoJojo]

I still regularly reference Coventry Cathedral as a "steel framed building which collapsed due to fire" in discussion of WTC 9/11 collapses. :roll:

yes something unresearchable, lacking any useful information from an engineering standpoint outside there was some fire and there was some steel. worthless.

 

[Helix]

yes

competing factions for two things always:

1) money

2) power/control

you have to read the same books they do.

THE GRAND. CHESSBOARD. American Primacy and Its -. Geostrategic Imperatives.

You will find books like this through out history, this one just happened to be another piece of the puzzle that set everything in the ME into motion.

Only need to invent a reason, people dont know any better and follow like sheep.

so your opinion is that Hitler would have still come to power without the crushing reparations and economic collapse which followed WWI? because if you do, i definitely do not agree.

 

[KokomoJojo]

so your opinion is that Hitler would have still come to power without the crushing reparations and economic collapse which followed WWI? because if you do, i definitely do not agree.

I didnt respond to hitler coming to power, I responded to if there would have been a world war to replace the ones we had, and that is a yes. Take some time to get into the head of ziggy boy, its the way the ptb think. In fact there is one guy who wrote an awesome book, an insider, that really explained this. The global power and wealth (restructuring) is a chess game that is constantly in flux.

more:


Employing evidence based on firsthand testimony, unpublished documents, and new information uncovered by the Freedom of Information Act, and using only what would hold up in international courts of law, THE TRIAL OF HENRY KISSINGER outlines atrocities authorized by the former secretary of state in Indochina, Bangladesh, Chile, Cyprus, East Timor, and in the plight of the Iraqi Kurds, "including conspiracy to commit murder, kidnap, and torture."

its about getting into 'their' heads, its the only way to understand them. They want to shape the world to suit themselves and if one plane falls through, then wait and create another event, eventually one will pan out.

 

[Helix]

I didnt respond to hitler coming to power, I responded to if there would have been a world war to replace the ones we had, and that is a yes. Take some time to get into the head of ziggy boy, its the way the ptb think. In fact there is one guy who wrote an awesome book, an insider, that really explained this. The global power and wealth (restructuring) is a chess game that is constantly in flux.

more:


Employing evidence based on firsthand testimony, unpublished documents, and new information uncovered by the Freedom of Information Act, and using only what would hold up in international courts of law, THE TRIAL OF HENRY KISSINGER outlines atrocities authorized by the former secretary of state in Indochina, Bangladesh, Chile, Cyprus, East Timor, and in the plight of the Iraqi Kurds, "including conspiracy to commit murder, kidnap, and torture."

its about getting into 'their' heads, its the only way to understand them. They want to shape the world to suit themselves and if one plane falls through, then wait and create another event, eventually one will pan out.

i don't need shadowy figures or CT to explain what's obvious. WWI started because of regional tensions, alliances, and brinksmanship, and WWII was the pendulum swing in the other direction. no conspiracy is necessary to explain it. what we should be doing is studying these events and what lead to them, and then not doing the same thing again and again.

 

[KokomoJojo]

i don't need shadowy figures or CT to explain what's obvious. WWI started because of regional tensions, alliances, and brinksmanship, and WWII was the pendulum swing in the other direction. no conspiracy is necessary to explain it. what we should be doing is studying these events and what lead to them, and then not doing the same thing again and again.

But there is HUGE money in war and it goes to the major players. Yes you do need to include shadowy figures unless they are proven not to exist. Rothschild got his fortune by manipulating the market with lies, (same as is done today on the stock market).



Nathan Rothschild ... let his eye fly over the lead paragraphs. A moment later he was on his way to London (beating Wellington's envoy by many hours) to tell the government that Napoleon had been crushed: but his news was not believed, because the government had just heard of the English defeat at Quatre Bras. Then he proceeded to the Stock Exchange.

Another man in his position would have sunk his work into consols [bank annuities], already weak because of Quatre Bras. But this was Nathan Rothschild. He leaned against "his" pillar. He did not invest. He sold. He dumped consols.

...Consols dropped still more. "Rothschild knows," the whisper rippled through the 'Change. "Waterloo is lost."
Nathan kept on selling ... consols plummeted—until, a split second before it was too late, Nathan suddenly bought a giant parcel for a song. Moments afterwards the great news broke, to send consols soaring.
We cannot guess the number of hopes and savings wiped out by this engineered panic.

WHO OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE?


The last actual audit that I recall being done they were worth over 8 billion in "GOLD" before 1900. Do you really believe that a group cannot control governments when they have enough money to buy them?



Shadowy figures? See if you can find ANY of the rothschild family listed in the billionaires of the world.

Seems they get a special pass.

Governments do not control the world since we live in a world that money controls governments.

 

[NWO_Spook]

What is hypothetical history doing in a CT section?

Without viewing the video, I say that it was highly unlikely that the UK would have sided with Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire owing to the fact that it was a member of the Triple Entente, an alliance with France and Romanov Russia. As soon as Russia attacked Austria in support of Serbia, and Germany attacked France in order to prevent them sending aid to Russia, Britain had an obligation to the Entente.

The rest they say is History and I posit that WWII would not have happened in Europe because without WWI, the Hohenzollern Dynasty in Germany would have probably continued, and Hitler would not have risen to power.

But there was still the animosity between Japan and the US...

 

[KokomoJojo]

no it was the usual british stirring **** ssdd

 

[ozeco41]

...The rest they say is History and I posit that WWII would not have happened in Europe because without WWI, the Hohenzollern Dynasty in Germany would have probably continued, and Hitler would not have risen to power....

Too complicated Spook. I prefer the engineer's version over the historian's viewpoint.

The simple reality is that - without the 1914-18 event called WW1 IF the 1939-45 event had occurred it could not have been WWTWO - it would have been WWONE - and even a truther should be able to work that out.