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What have you done to encourage people to get the vaccine?

Sagittarius83 said:
Please

please enlighten me as I just offered you the same invitation and in the same way.

And you can’t seriously tell me you have actually been a shepherd and given how willingly people gave up their rights to governments during covid, I would say people are very much like sheep.
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No, I’m not a shepherd, but I know how valuable livestock is.

The fact that people sometimes may act like sheep does not mean they ARE sheep.

Does this “government” not include you and me and everyone else? Okay, maybe you’re not In America, but the idea is the same. WE the people of the US have put in place—for the protection of everyone—laws which govern acceptable practices under pandemics. Beyond that, WE have a moral obligation to protect our neighbors. The idea that your “liberty” is more important than even one life is preposterous on its face, and Jesus would be disappointed with your efforts thus far.
 
maxparrish said:
Of what obligation do they have to censor information?

At the moment the answer is none to both questions. However, that does not change the fact that "the oligopoly of social media is more restrictive in some respects." and far more effectively hostile and repressive to the market place of ideas than it used to be.
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This makes me chuckle. I live in a libertarian paradise. I can’t count how many times I’ve heard: “we should let the markets decide.”

Now that the markets have decided it’s: “they’re repressing the marketplace of ideas!”

Start your own video channel if you don’t like the ones we have. Or better yet, just boycott them all together. I’ve done that, and I can still talk to my mom on the phone.
 
Ethel2 said:
You are playing word games. I use "asymptomatic spread" to mean people who have no symptoms, and that includes people who have yet to develop symptoms. This is from your own link:

Presymptomatic transmission was more frequent than symptomatic transmission.

Got it?
People with NO SYMPTOMS spread Covid more frequently than people with symptoms.
For your continued education, here is the definition of asymptomatic. It includes those who are presymptomatic:

  1. (of a condition or a person) producing or showing no symptoms.
    "infection is usually asymptomatic"

You have received a schooling today. Hope you learned your lesson.
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The poster didn't "play word games", he used the appropriate word in his original response to another poster's assertion. You picked up on the word, unaware of its specific meaning and usage and now you know - you are making a different (and valid) point about pre-symptomatic individuals.

Asymptomatic cases don't spread SARS-CoV-2 transmission and are in line with multiple studies (9–11).

And it is also consistent with my other readings that the likelihood of spreading peaks near the date of symptom onset (which includes the day before) and then quickly declines.
 
brianpatrick said:
This makes me chuckle. I live in a libertarian paradise. I can’t count how many times I’ve heard: “we should let the markets decide.”

Now that the markets have decided it’s: “they’re repressing the marketplace of ideas!”

Start your own video channel if you don’t like the ones we have. Or better yet, just boycott them all together. I’ve done that, and I can still talk to my mom on the phone.
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And I can't tell you the number of times I have heard that "markets are evil" and "big business needs regulated and broken up". You'all might have a point after all - lets start with youtube?
 
maxparrish said:
And I can't tell you the number of times I have heard that "markets are evil" and "big business needs regulated and broken up". You'all might have a point after all - lets start with youtube?
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We have laws for that already on the books. Vote someone in that will enforce them.
 
maxparrish said:
So its not Biden then.
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Remains to be seen. I doubt it though. If you look into how few people have actually been ‘canceled’ it’s very few, and they are about evenly split across political lines.
Biden is less evil than Trump. That’s why he is now President.
 
maxparrish said:
And I can't tell you the number of times I have heard that "markets are evil" and "big business needs regulated and broken up". You'all might have a point after all - lets start with youtube?
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I see no point in that. Maybe you're listening to the wrong people. Business have rights, why trample on them?

Maybe it's the variables you're hung up on, and not the actual issue of rights. You agree with business having rights when you agree, and don't when you don't.
 
VySky said:
Covid mortality rate is not that of Typhoid
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Interesting. What is the legal cutoff for mortality rates in your country? In your church? With your friends and family? You have a number in mind?
 
Threegoofs said:
Myocarditis, you mean.

Which also has nothing to do with heart failure.
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The chances are about 1 in a million, and the symtoms last a couple of weeks , and then resolve itself. Not to say that isn't bad, but SO far , there hasn't been lasting damage. It certainly less damage than being on a vent.
 
brianpatrick said:
Interesting. What is the legal cutoff for mortality rates in your country? In your church? With your friends and family? You have a number in mind?
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Each person in the States likely conducts a risk benefit analysis and the results differ
 
(PM’d from you just now: I am ready to talk to you just as well as her. See if you can whip me with your words. Talking is much more efficient.)
brianpatrick said:
Sir, respectfully, I would whip you into next week without even trying. You would probably end up so upset and confused that it would be sad to watch. In fact, I am good with words—both written and spoken—and don’t feel the need at this point to hide from the public forum to save face. In fact, many of my responses to you and other posters are aimed at the broader public audience reading them, rather than directed to the specific recipient. Maybe my goals are different than yours. I don’t feel the need to win one-on-one. It’s more important to challenge loose ideas in public so everyone can decide for themselves. If that’s not why you’re on a debate forum, you might want to check yourself for damage.
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I have received nothing from you in conversation.
 
Sagittarius83 said:
(PM’d from you just now: I am ready to talk to you just as well as her. See if you can whip me with your words. Talking is much more efficient.)

I have received nothing from you in conversation.
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I’ve explained why very clearly. Do you need me to dumb it down?
 
VySky said:
Covid mortality rate is not that of Typhoid
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120,000 to 160,000 died globally from Typhoid in 2020.
3,925,445 died of Covid in 2020.

You're correct, Covid mortality rate is not that of Typhoid.
 
brianpatrick said:
No, I’m not a shepherd, but I know how valuable livestock is.

The fact that people sometimes may act like sheep does not mean they ARE sheep.

Does this “government” not include you and me and everyone else? Okay, maybe you’re not In America, but the idea is the same. WE the people of the US have put in place—for the protection of everyone—laws which govern acceptable practices under pandemics. Beyond that, WE have a moral obligation to protect our neighbors. The idea that your “liberty” is more important than even one life is preposterous on its face, and Jesus would be disappointed with your efforts thus far.
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As I am not a Christian, I am not concerned about what He would think.
 
brianpatrick said:
I’ve explained why very clearly. Do you need me to dumb it down?
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Nothing complicated in the fact that you say you pm’d me and did not.

I might also point out that claiming victory is not the same as achieving it and that you appear to be unsuccessfully trying to intimidate me and there is no reason to pollute open forum with this.
 
Ginger Ale said:
120,000 to 160,000 died globally from Typhoid in 2020.
3,925,445 died of Covid in 2020.

You're correct, Covid mortality rate is not that of Typhoid.
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2020? lol... Russia is calling and want the 80's back
 
VySky said:
Each person in the States likely conducts a risk benefit analysis and the results differ
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“Each person” doesn’t have anything to do with pandemic laws on the books. Well, they could vote someone in that would change public safety laws with regard to pandemics, but so soon after Covid that’s likely to not be popular enough at the ballot box.
And privately… “each person” conducts a risk/benefit assessment with regard to the health and safety of others in their community? What gives them the right to risk the health of others? Let me answer for you: they don’t have the LEGAL right to risk the health of others during a global pandemic.
 
brianpatrick said:
“Each person” doesn’t have anything to do with pandemic laws on the books. Well, they could vote someone in that would change public safety laws with regard to pandemics, but so soon after Covid that’s likely to not be popular enough at the ballot box.
And privately… “each person” conducts a risk/benefit assessment with regard to the health and safety of others in their community? What gives them the right to risk the health of others? Let me answer for you: they don’t have the LEGAL right to risk the health of others during a global pandemic.
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I have every right given by God to refuse any vaccine. Let me know when that changes. The vaccinated are just going to have to man up and accept a smudge of insignificant risk
 
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