What have you done to encourage people to get the vaccine?

[Ethel2]

Could you break this down for me in real simple question, I am not following what you are asking.

Sure
Let me give you a hypothetical example:
Lets say there is a new virus out there that is killing, say, 2% of the people it infects. Since its new no one knows how it’s spread from person to person. Therefore science isn’t recommending that masks be worn by ordinary citizens as yet. Then its discovered (as a uncontested fact) that this hypothetical virus is spread by respiratory droplets, even by individuals who aren’t symptomatic.
Should science continue not recommending that people wear masks in public areas where people gather or, since its now a known fact that the disease is spread by aerosol droplets, should science change its recommendations to align with this new information and recommend that a good mask be worn by anyone who is in a public place where people gather for the protection of others?
Or this: when it became known that the earth orbits the sun rather than vice versa should science textbooks continue to declare that the sun orbits the earth?

 

[Chomsky]

You need to reconsider. We are obligated to look to the greater good.

Yeah, agreed. But I also respect individual privacy. I've told many it's their social responsibility & civic duty. But, I will not force someone to put a drug in their body, especially an experimental one. However, this applies to this pandemic & point in time. If things weren't getting better, and it was a wore situation, I might reconsider. But 'no', I'm not forcing my views on others concerning their personal bodies. Not unless the situation were dire, and there's no way out. But, we'll still make reasonable progress despite the holdouts.

 

[maxparrish]

I've confronted a bunch of unvaccinated people. I started carrying a syringe of J&J so instead of just brawling in the grocery store I can get in a good jab.

Problem is, some of your thumbs up think you're serious...hell, you might think that you are serious.

 

[maxparrish]

Sure
Let me give you a hypothetical example:
Lets say there is a new virus out there that is killing, say, 2% of the people it infects. Since its new no one knows how it’s spread from person to person. Therefore science isn’t recommending that masks be worn by ordinary citizens as yet. Then its discovered (as a uncontested fact) that this hypothetical virus is spread by respiratory droplets, even by individuals who aren’t symptomatic.
Should science continue not recommending that people wear masks in public areas where people gather or, since its now a known fact that the disease is spread by aerosol droplets, should science change its recommendations to align with this new information and recommend that a good mask be worn by anyone who is in a public place where people gather for the protection of others?
Or this: when it became known that the earth orbits the sun rather than vice versa should science textbooks continue to declare that the sun orbits the earth?

Let me give you another hypothetical example:

Let's say that the chances in any one year for getting infected by COVID and dying is 00.18%. Then its discovered that the virus is mainly spread by vapor particles, so small they are invisible to the naked eye. And then it is discovered that the masking commonly used (ordinary fabric or surgical masks) can't stop these particles because they are so small it is impossible. Then its discovered that children are not significant vectors of infection, and that COVID is not spread outdoors.

Should science cease recommending that people always or usually wear masks in any public area? Or should science change its recommendation because now they know masking is largely useless (save for N95)?

Or this: when it became known masks are a ceremonial "ju-ju" cloth to ward of evil spirits, as effective as a rabbits foot, should science confess it made a mistake and have the courage to change its advice to others?

I say yes.

 

[Sagittarius83]

You are correct, WW2 was not nearly as lethal as this disease has been to us Americans. None the less, it remains an obligation to get the vaccine and shut up.

What is the nature of this obligation? And what, if anything, should the machinery of the state do to enforce this obligation?

 

[Allan]

As we all know, getting the vaccine is the only thing that can keep us safe and prosperous.

But as with everything human, ignorance abounds. Some folks simply will not get the shot.

I'd like to establish a thread where we can all post examples of how we encouraged others to get the vaccine and encouraged businesses to make it mandatory for their employees or refuse service from a business whop does not compel it's employees.

For example, this week I fired my exterminator for not being vaccinated.

I have also cancelled my gym membership because no rule exists and have not bought sporting events tickets that I other wise would have.

What is your story of valor?

I have a neigbour who's in just about every risk group - obese, diabetic, had a stroke, little older. He posted in Facebook that he wouldn't get the vaccine because he was afraid of needles. He's a big tough stone mason so that would be amusing if it wasn't so dangerous.

I went over and had a beer with him and talked about vaccine efficacy statistics and also scared him a bit by describing in detail the process of mechanical ventilation, and what it does to your lung function even if you survive. He showed interest so he and I made appointments for the same day online; an appointment he kept.

There aren't a lot of anti-vaxxers where I live. Those that are I find have been influenced by online BS they see on places like Facebook. Social media has the ability to bring so much knowledge and entertainment to us, but unfortunately it can do great harm.

 

[Sagittarius83]

I

I have a neigbour who's in just about every risk group - obese, diabetic, had a stroke, little older. He posted in Facebook that he wouldn't get the vaccine because he was afraid of needles. He's a big tough stone mason so that would be amusing if it wasn't so dangerous.

I went over and had a beer with him and talked about vaccine efficacy statistics and also scared him a bit by describing in detail the process of mechanical ventilation, and what it does to your lung function even if you survive. He showed interest so he and I made appointments for the same day online; an appointment he kept.

There aren't a lot of anti-vaxxers where I live. Those that are I find have been influenced by online BS they see on places like Facebook. Social media has the ability to bring so much knowledge and entertainment to us, but unfortunately it can do great harm.

I thought Facebook didn’t allow any content that disparaged what is considered the seriousness of the virus but I can’t say from personal experience because I stay away from Facebook, Twitter and anything Google like YouTube which filters speech.

I don’t talk to people much about this cause I like to mind my own business but I have told people that the vaccinations are free and not inconvenient and only extremely minimally invasive and can do no harm.

I don’t mention the tiny NSA computers that burrow into your corpuscles and compel you to support conservative causes and really like Putin and Trump.

 

[SarahSun]

I have a friend who is deathly afraid of shots but she ended up getting the Moderna shots because she wants to travel and was afraid she wouldnt be able to get on a plane.

 

[Allan]

I

I thought Facebook didn’t allow any content that disparaged what is considered the seriousness of the virus but I can’t say from personal experience because I stay away from Facebook, Twitter and anything Google like YouTube which filters speech.

I don’t talk to people much about this cause I like to mind my own business but I have told people that the vaccinations are free and not inconvenient and only extremely minimally invasive and can do no harm.

I don’t mention the tiny NSA computers that burrow into your corpuscles and compel you to support conservative causes and really like Putin and Trump.

Facebook can't police it. There are way too many individuals posting BS on that platform to exercise any level of control.

 

[Sagittarius83]

Th

I have a friend who is deathly afraid of shots but she ended up getting the Moderna shots because she wants to travel and was afraid she wouldnt be able to get on a plane.

That is mostly why I got the vaccinations. I thought it would allow me to travel again.

 

[Sagittarius83]

Facebook can't police it. There are way too many individuals posting BS on that platform to exercise any level of control.

That might be true but I thought this was their policy.

As for me, I support every kind of speech, even Farrakhan and the disgusting and infuriating Eldredge Cleaver’s “Soul On Ice”.

I simply boycott all media that restricts speech.

 

[Sagittarius83]

Yeah, agreed. But I also respect individual privacy. I've told many it's their social responsibility & civic duty. But, I will not force someone to put a drug in their body, especially an experimental one. However, this applies to this pandemic & point in time. If things weren't getting better, and it was a wore situation, I might reconsider. But 'no', I'm not forcing my views on others concerning their personal bodies. Not unless the situation were dire, and there's no way out. But, we'll still make reasonable progress despite the holdouts.

Yes, the 1918 pandemic lasted for February 1918 to April 1920.
And this went away without any human intervention.
This may be the natural lifecycle of these kinds of viruses.
Although human intervention may cause this one to last longer due to not allowing exposure.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

As we all know, getting the vaccine is the only thing that can keep us safe and prosperous.

But as with everything human, ignorance abounds. Some folks simply will not get the shot.

I'd like to establish a thread where we can all post examples of how we encouraged others to get the vaccine and encouraged businesses to make it mandatory for their employees or refuse service from a business whop does not compel it's employees.

For example, this week I fired my exterminator for not being vaccinated.

I have also cancelled my gym membership because no rule exists and have not bought sporting events tickets that I other wise would have.

What is your story of valor?

Zero. If 600k deaths doesn’t move you, **** am I gonna say.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Yes, the 1918 pandemic lasted for February 1918 to April 1920.
And this went away without any human intervention.
This may be the natural lifecycle of these kinds of viruses.
Although human intervention may cause this one to last longer due to not allowing exposure.

What is life like on Earth-2?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Th

That is mostly why I got the vaccinations. I thought it would allow me to travel again.

Or you were terrified of dying from a preventable disease.

 

[Ethel2]

Let me give you another hypothetical example:

Let's say that the chances in any one year for getting infected by COVID and dying is 00.18%. Then its discovered that the virus is mainly spread by vapor particles, so small they are invisible to the naked eye. And then it is discovered that the masking commonly used (ordinary fabric or surgical masks) can't stop these particles because they are so small it is impossible. Then its discovered that children are not significant vectors of infection, and that COVID is not spread outdoors.

Should science cease recommending that people always or usually wear masks in any public area? Or should science change its recommendation because now they know masking is largely useless (save for N95)?

Or this: when it became known masks are a ceremonial "ju-ju" cloth to ward of evil spirits, as effective as a rabbits foot, should science confess it made a mistake and have the courage to change its advice to others?

I say yes.

Your "example" is invalid because of your claim that it is impossible for masks to stop vapor particles. That is contrary to the truth. What is true is that better masks do a better job at it. The discussion is about whether or not science should be sensitive to new information and change its theories and recommendations if new relevant data appears. Any debate about the effectiveness of masks, especially good ones, is as pointless as debating whether or not today is Monday here in the US.

 

[Threegoofs]

Could you break this down for me in real simple question, I am not following what you are asking.

Maybe this cartoon will clarify…

 

[Queen Margo]

Sure
Let me give you a hypothetical example:
Lets say there is a new virus out there that is killing, say, 2% of the people it infects. Since its new no one knows how it’s spread from person to person. Therefore science isn’t recommending that masks be worn by ordinary citizens as yet. Then its discovered (as a uncontested fact) that this hypothetical virus is spread by respiratory droplets, even by individuals who aren’t symptomatic.
Should science continue not recommending that people wear masks in public areas where people gather or, since its now a known fact that the disease is spread by aerosol droplets, should science change its recommendations to align with this new information and recommend that a good mask be worn by anyone who is in a public place where people gather for the protection of others?
Or this: when it became known that the earth orbits the sun rather than vice versa should science textbooks continue to declare that the sun orbits the earth?

Well, your hypothetical is not what Fauci did. He lied and continues to lie to benefit himself.

 

[Queen Margo]

Again, I will ask anyone to answer this. If you convinced someone like lets say your neighbor to get the vaccine and then that neighbor had a heart failure and died. What would you say to the neighbors family?
Again, I have been vaccinated but I would never coerce anyone to take the vaccine. I should be THEIR choice in my opinion.

 

[Threegoofs]

Again, I will ask anyone to answer this. If you convinced someone like lets say your neighbor to get the vaccine and then that neighbor had a heart failure and died. What would you say to the neighbors family?
Again, I have been vaccinated but I would never coerce anyone to take the vaccine. I should be THEIR choice in my opinion.

Vaccinations have no link to heart failure.

At all.

 

[Queen Margo]

Vaccinations have no link to heart failure.

At all.

Does not mean it won't.
I see you could not answer the question.

 

[brianpatrick]

That might be true but I thought this was their policy.

As for me, I support every kind of speech, even Farrakhan and the disgusting and infuriating Eldredge Cleaver’s “Soul On Ice”.

I simply boycott all media that restricts speech.

We ****ed up when we gave the internet to stupid people. It’s why we can’t have nice things.

 

[Ikari]

valor? not really, but i've promoted the benefits of vaccination online. i've debunked misinformed nonsense in person, as well. i've spoken frankly with people about my own experience with the vaccine. finally, i have worked myself to exhaustion for more than a year doing scientific research related to the pandemic.

did it do any good? the research did. the advocacy? who knows?

Some folk just want to live in willful ignorance. Not sure what they have against the vaccine, other than they think they're sticking it to "libs", but seem to not understand pandemics or the simplest of statistics.

Thankfully, I actually don't know anyone who doesn't have the vaccine, but I do tend to surround myself by intelligent people.

 

[Threegoofs]

Does not mean it won't.
I see you could not answer the question.

What would you say if you encouraged a neighbor to get a vaccine and the next day he won the Powerbsll lottery, HUH?

CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION?

 

[Allan]

Your "example" is invalid because of your claim that it is impossible for masks to stop vapor particles. That is contrary to the truth. What is true is that better masks do a better job at it. The discussion is about whether or not science should be sensitive to new information and change its theories and recommendations if new relevant data appears. Any debate about the effectiveness of masks, especially good ones, is as pointless as debating whether or not today is Monday here in the US.

I spent 35 years in healthcare and one of the areas I specialized in was infection control. It's indisputable that masks help prevent infection. I've given up on the anti-maskers here because you know what they say about arguing with fools.