What has the second amendment done for the African American community?

[Maidenrules29]

Was Castile commuting an active crime that threatened the lives of others or was he shot while getting pulled over for a traffic stop?

How often are cops get shot at during a traffic stop? Do cops think people they pull over at traffic stops are a threat and the cops should be ready to kill them? Kinda makes it seem like cops can't handle simple traffic stops if they are so ready to use violence at this seemingly mundane events.

Would you like me to post some links to videos for you of cops getting murdered during traffic stops? There's a lot of them.

 

[Vadinho]

The second amendment is only as good as the people controlling the law. In and ideal world, the second amendment would protect black people just like it does everyone else in this country. When a black man shots another man in self defense, he should be treated just like any other human under the laws of this land.

Saying a constitutional right is not valid because we have inferior Justice Department is not a good reason to justify ending an amendment. One day, government will (proven through out history will over extend their authority. The only thing stopping a corrupt government from rolling out of a democracy is 300 million guns pointed at their heads. Please understand that the second amendment was put into the constitution to protect the citizens, not the government.

It was put into place to protect slave owners from slaves and to have an armed populace in case an army was needed. All the rest of Heller is just fantasy.

 

[TurtleDude]

Okay, so when pulling someone over for say speeding or running a red light, should the cop assume everyone in the car is a threat and be prepared to shoot them if they don't perfectly obey his commands?

when a police officer pulls someone over, they have to realize that this is a very dangerous situation and be ready to respond because so many police have been shot doing this

 

[TurtleDude]

It was put into place to protect slave owners from slaves and to have an armed populace in case an army was needed. All the rest of Heller is just fantasy.

that's a bald faced lie. that nonsense by Carl Bogus Jr has been ignored by serious constitutional scholars-Akhil Amar of Yale noted it was "bunk" in his lecture at Yale on Memorial Day weekend 2016

 

[Yes_Minister]

when a police officer pulls someone over, they have to realize that this is a very dangerous situation and be ready to respond because so many police have been shot doing this

What if the guy who was speeding just went through a nasty divorce and is about to lose custody of kids and is distressed. Does his distressed state and the fact he is not following the cop's orders perfectly mean the cop should treat him like a threat and be ready to shoot him at any time? If that guy had a legal gun, should the cop see that as a threat?

 

[TurtleDude]

What if the guy who was speeding just went through a nasty divorce and is about to lose custody of kids and is distressed. Does his distressed state and the fact he is not following the cop's orders perfectly mean the cop should treat him like a threat and be ready to shoot him at any time? If that guy had a legal gun, should the cop see that as a threat?

a police officer should only shoot if he has a reasonable fear that if he doesn't, he or someone else will be subjected to severe bodily injury or death

 

[Bodi]

I called you a troll because you made inflammatory statements to troll people, it's not slander if it's true.

It isn't slander then either...

Then tell me what you mean by this statement:

Is this Reverse Trolling, or something.

If that's not Trolling, what is it?

Speculation?

Trolling – (verb), as it relates to internet, is the deliberate act, (by a Troll – noun or adjective), of making random unsolicited and/or controversial comments on various internet forums with the intent to provoke an emotional knee jerk reaction from unsuspecting readers to engage in a fight or argument
Trolling on-line forums as described above is actually analogous to the fishing technique of “trolling”, where colorful baits and lures are pulled behind a slow moving boat, often with multiple fishing lines, covering a large bodies of water, such as a large lake or the ocean. The trolling lures attract unsuspecting fish, intriguing them with the way they move through the water, thus enticing these foolish fish to “take the bait”. Not unlike unsuspecting internet victims, once hooked, the fish are reeled in for the catch before they realize they have been duped by the Troll/Fisherman.

That statement seems like trolling to me.

I feel like you just dangled a carrot.

 

[Yes_Minister]

a police officer should only shoot if he has a reasonable fear that if he doesn't, he or someone else will be subjected to severe bodily injury or death

So was that the case with Castile? Did he pose an immediate threat to the cop? Does the distressed divorced guy pose an immediate threat to the cop if he is distressed and has a legal gun?

 

[Yes_Minister]

It isn't slander then either...

Is this Reverse Trolling, or something.

Speculation?

I feel like you just dangled a carrot.

Reverse Trolling just sounds like Trolling, so stop with the fake outrage when you got caught in the act.

 

[Bodi]

What if the guy who was speeding just went through a nasty divorce and is about to lose custody of kids and is distressed. Does his distressed state and the fact he is not following the cop's orders perfectly mean the cop should treat him like a threat and be ready to shoot him at any time? If that guy had a legal gun, should the cop see that as a threat?

Do you have a video link to the event you are talking about?

 

[Yes_Minister]

Do you have a video link to the event you are talking about?

It's an scenario, not an actual event.

 

[Bodi]

It's an scenario, not an actual event.

I know the dad one was... I meant to Castille or whoever you were talking about.

Reverse Trolling just sounds like Trolling, so stop with the fake outrage when you got caught in the act.

Are you admitting to Reverse Trolling?

... and it is not slander.

 

[PirateMk1]

a police officer should only shoot if he has a reasonable fear that if he doesn't, he or someone else will be subjected to severe bodily injury or death

Quite frankly that should be revoked and replaced with what the military has to deal with, which is they cannot fire their weapon unless fired upon. Too many officers are way to skittish and a lot of that has to do with the amount and kind of training they get which is crap and not much. A lot of police training promotes and us versus them mentality and thats bad juju and promotes an aggressive mentality that is inappropriate to policing. I believe that at minimum 25% of an officers on duty time should be training using their weapons, situational training, conditioning, the law, its proper and just application, ethics, ect. Preferably 50%. There should be fewer much more highly trained and capable officers that are paid much better, that live their lives as close to the Captain America ethos we can get.

 

[Yes_Minister]

I know the dad one was... I meant to Castille or whoever you were talking about.

Are you admitting to Reverse Trolling?

... and it is not slander.

Here are the videos:






And I admit to nothing but calling you out.

 

[TurtleDude]

Quite frankly that should be revoked and replaced with what the military has to deal with, which is they cannot fire their weapon unless fired upon. Too many officers are way to skittish and a lot of that has to do with the amount and kind of training they get which is crap and not much. A lot of police training promotes and us versus them mentality and thats bad juju and promotes an aggressive mentality that is inappropriate to policing. I believe that at minimum 25% of an officers on duty time should be training using their weapons, situational training, conditioning, the law, its proper and just application, ethics, ect. Preferably 50%. There should be fewer much more highly trained and capable officers that are paid much better, that live their lives as close to the Captain America ethos we can get.

I don't know about waiting for someone to shoot at you. I know most mopes aren't really good shots but someone who has my training-well If I got the first shot, I doubt i'd see return fire.

 

[Bodi]

Here are the videos:






And I admit to nothing but calling you out.

Yeah. That is pretty shitty policing. Not sure about murder charges but manslaughter for sure. If a guy tells you he has a gun he is doing it to deescalate the situation... not so that he can pull it on you... if he was going to pull he would not tell that he had a gun... pretty ****ing basic.

 

[Bodi]

I don't know about waiting for someone to shoot at you. I know most mopes aren't really good shots but someone who has my training-well If I got the first shot, I doubt i'd see return fire.

Because the other guy would be too busy laughing his ass off at your wildly inaccurate shooting...

 

[Yes_Minister]

I don't know about waiting for someone to shoot at you. I know most mopes aren't really good shots but someone who has my training-well If I got the first shot, I doubt i'd see return fire.

Why do cops get held to a lower standard than soldiers in a war zone? Is policing really more dangerous than being a soldier in a war zone?

 

[TurtleDude]

Why do cops get held to a lower standard than soldiers in a war zone? Is policing really more dangerous than being a soldier in a war zone?

most soldiers don't have to wait to be fired on in a war zone. do you have any clue about snipers or ambushes? My nephew ran a Green Beret A camp in Afghanistan and they were engaged in daily ambushes of Taliban fighters

 

[TurtleDude]

Because the other guy would be too busy laughing his ass off at your wildly inaccurate shooting...

trolling is stupid and lying while trolling is even worse.

 

[Yes_Minister]

most soldiers don't have to wait to be fired on in a war zone. do you have any clue about snipers or ambushes? My nephew ran a Green Beret A camp in Afghanistan and they were engaged in daily ambushes of Taliban fighters

Do the cops have to deal with Taliban snipers? Frankly I don't see why the cops are held to a lower standard than soliders. Heck cops should be held to a higher standard because they are dealing with civilians, not an opposing army.

Are the cops public servants who serve the public or they an occupying army that must impose its will on the public?

 

[TurtleDude]

Do the cops have to deal with Taliban snipers? Frankly I don't see why the cops are held to a lower standard than soliders. Heck cops should be held to a higher standard because they are dealing with civilians, not an opposing army.

Are the cops public servants who serve the public or they an occupying army that must impose its will on the public?

cops are held to a much higher standard than soldiers. cops cannot throw frags into rooms where they think there is a hostile. When My nephew was in the rangers and commanding a bunch of men, and they took fire from a building, the proper response was to call a fire base to take out the building. cops cannot do that. cops cannot use mortars or airstrikes on buildings where snipers are operating. Military doesn't have to warn a combatant before shooting him. You seem to have an almost non-existent understanding of the military or police work

 

[Old 'N Chill]

The Racist Roots of the Second Amendment

I only heard a few minutes of this on the radio. 45 min. podcast in link for anyone interested.

The Racist Roots Of The 2nd Amendment : Fresh Air

Carol Anderson says the Second Amendment was designed to ensure slave owners could quickly crush any rebellion or resistance from those they'd enslaved. "One of the things that I argue throughout this book is that it is just being Black that is the threat. And so when you mix that being Black as...

www.npr.org

 

[Yes_Minister]

cops are held to a much higher standard than soldiers. cops cannot throw frags into rooms where they think there is a hostile. When My nephew was in the rangers and commanding a bunch of men, and they took fire from a building, the proper response was to call a fire base to take out the building. cops cannot do that. cops cannot use mortars or airstrikes on buildings where snipers are operating. Military doesn't have to warn a combatant before shooting him. You seem to have an almost non-existent understanding of the military or police work

Irrevant to my point, can soldiers shoot at people if they haven't shot first? Can a soldier decide a random civilian on the streets is a threat and gun him down?

Because ROE prevents soldiers from shooting first, but with cops you guys just seem to think it's fine for a cop to shoot first and ask questions later.

Is this your small government ideology in action, your rights disappear when a cop shows up?

 

[Antiwar]

The Racist Roots of the Second Amendment

I only heard a few minutes of this on the radio. 45 min. podcast in link for anyone interested.

The Racist Roots Of The 2nd Amendment : Fresh Air

Carol Anderson says the Second Amendment was designed to ensure slave owners could quickly crush any rebellion or resistance from those they'd enslaved. "One of the things that I argue throughout this book is that it is just being Black that is the threat. And so when you mix that being Black as...

www.npr.org

That's probably pretty good but also watered down because it's NPR.