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What happens when the National Guard leaves

Peacenik said:
It's all fake. Made for internet / social media propaganda. All the NG is doing is standing around monuments 'protecting' them. Must be very boring and morale-lowering duty.

Where are the stories of any actual crime averted by the NG? Crickets.
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Indeed, this is why Trump-Miller could not keep the NG or the token force of active duty Marines in Los Angeles any longer than the forces were there. And the time each force was standing around in LA was stretching it for both forces who wanted out after only a very short time.

The California NG wouldn't put up with just standing around and neither would the active duty Marines. Morale and unit discipline was very low for the "civil disturbance" assignment that virtually every member of the armed forces hates, detests and despises doing. NG and Marine superior officers at their HQ/bases thoroughly opposed the deployments as negative factors in their force readiness and morale and in force recruiting efforts.

After only one week Marine commanders at their base outside LA were issuing "prepare to deploy" orders to another battalion to replace the totally disgruntled Marine battalion in LA. Once the Marine battalion of 700 in LA knew the replacement battalion (of equal number) was in the pipeline their spirits lifted and discipline improved right away.
 
As the two week mark approached in LA the Marine replacement battalion was ordered to roll while the battalion in LA loaded into vehicles as happy infantry grunts going back home to their base. It wasn't two weeks more when the bored and grumpy replacement battalion was ordered back to base. Indeed, no Marines are deployed to DC and no Marines will be deployed to any city on the long and crazy list of Trump-Miller blue cities. USMC drew the line for the Generalissimo not to cross again.

The bulk of the 4300 CA NG overkill of mostly infantry plus Military Police were pulled out in two stages, 2000 in their 5th miserable week and the final 2000 a week later. Some token 250 drew the short straw so to speak to remain.

Both the NG and the active duty Marines were opposed to their face by peaceful protesters against their presence but they held their discipline. The DC NG main force is Military Police which makes the DC Guard a notoriously rightwing bunch although it's not all of 'em. Indeed, a number of NG MP's in state NG forces are also flatfoot cops in their real life which is not encouraging. This is also a factor for the DC police force that has a number of 'em unknown to me in the NG rather than on the streets right now.
 
noonereal said:
It will be hard to tell why crime dropped.
Probably would just be a continuation of the current trend.

To you have a magic formula understand why if it does?
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I still don't know why serious crime has gone in those major cities which have reported gradual reductions in serious crimes.
I am skeptical of the crime reporting methods and the way city DAs are inclined to use innovations like 'no cash bail' to release perpetrators of less serious crimes.
 
ataraxia said:
No, not like this. The method by which something is done matters.

It's like if they start executing anyone caught driving over the speed limit with summary roadside executions with a bullet to the back of the head- and their whole family too- and if anyone objects, asking "whatsamatter, you don't like respect for the law?" It's not that it would not help stop more people from going over the speed limit. It probably would. But would you be OK with that?

Absolutely.
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I think you might have been watching Mad Max or John Wick movies.
 
spud_meister said:
Anyone who approves what Trump's doing in DC. You obviously believe the federal government should be infringing on the right to bear arms
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What happened to your minority card? It disappeared between this post of yours and the last.
 
Why are Republican so concerned about crime in democratic cities?
 
The Brad Dad said:
It's not working. It's a wild overreaction to no emergency. And now that you're biggest talking points lasted two weeks. There's no legislation, just fascism and fascism cheer leaders.
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Enforcing the law and removing criminals from the streets is not fascism.
 
donhughesmusic said:
Of course crime is going to go down while the National Guard is in DC. The question will be what happens when they leave. Take out the point of whether they should even be there to begin with. If crime goes back up after they leave, was the mission a success? If crime stays down after they have left, did the ends justify the means?
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Crime was going down. What you want them to be there forever?
 
donhughesmusic said:
Of course crime is going to go down while the National Guard is in DC. The question will be what happens when they leave. Take out the point of whether they should even be there to begin with. If crime goes back up after they leave, was the mission a success? If crime stays down after they have left, did the ends justify the means?
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What is your big concern with NG troops being in D.C.?
What is it you fear? Trump looking better if crime statistics look better?
If crime goes down, it's a win-win for everyone.
 
jaypatriot said:
What is your big concern with NG troops being in D.C.?
What is it you fear? Trump looking better if crime statistics look better?
If crime goes down, it's a win-win for everyone.
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Good God. Such posted simple mindedness
 
spud_meister said:
Anyone who approves what Trump's doing in DC. You obviously believe the federal government should be infringing on the right to bear arms
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D.C.'s Firearm Laws are among the most stringent in the nation. A would be gun owner must through go hoops of registration and training to legally purchase a weapon. Open carry is strictly forbidden. Even how a firearm may be transported is highly regulated.
 
noonereal said:
Good God. Such posted simple mindedness
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I'm not so simple minded as to constantly broadcast gloom and doom like others who want see the attempt to further reduce crime fail so you can blame Trump.
So I don't predict disaster in order to pander to wishes of Chicken Littles who want to see the sky fall simply to be right. Sue me.
 
noonereal said:
Can you respond without using a 12 year old's childish logical fallacy?
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You simply want everyone to be as negative and pessimistic as you are.
And if they aren't thinking just like you, then you hurl personal insult just to show how self righteous you really are.
Is that how you win arguments in your barrio?
 
Along Came Jones said:
D.C.'s Firearm Laws are among the most stringent in the nation. A would be gun owner must through go hoops of registration and training to legally purchase a weapon. Open carry is strictly forbidden. Even how a firearm may be transported is highly regulated.
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And yet anyone can drive for half an hour, purchase a gun under virginia's lax laws and drive back.

Which was why we need national gun laws not a patchwork quilt.
 
NolanVoyd said:
And yet anyone can drive for half an hour, purchase a gun under virginia's lax laws and drive back.

Which was why we need national gun laws not a patchwork quilt.
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Yeppir. Absolutely true.
 
NolanVoyd said:
And yet anyone can drive for half an hour, purchase a gun under virginia's lax laws and drive back.

Which was why we need national gun laws not a patchwork quilt.
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With 400 million guns in this country, there will never be the will to have gun laws that span the entire country.
That is a pipe dream and no legislator is going to jump into that breach now matter how many mass shootings there are. He or she would piss off too many law abiding gun owners.


AI Overview

There isn't a single, universally agreed-upon number for U.S. gun laws, but it's estimated to be over 20,000 at the federal, state, and local levels, though many are not directly about gun ownership or sale but rather administrative or local regulations. The landscape also includes federal legislation, a wide array of state laws that vary significantly by jurisdiction, and a patchwork of local ordinances.


Breakdown of Gun Laws by Level
These establish baseline rules for gun ownership, including regulations on the manufacture, sale, transfer, and record-keeping of firearms.


Since federal law has gaps, many states have enacted their own gun safety laws. These laws vary significantly, creating a "patchwork" of regulations across the country, with some states having very strong laws and others having much weaker ones.


Cities and municipalities can also enact their own ordinances, which can range from zoning for gun stores to restrictions on the discharge of firearms.
 
jaypatriot said:
With 400 million guns in this country, there will never be the will to have gun laws that span the entire country.
That is a pipe dream and no legislator is going to jump into that breach now matter how many mass shootings there are. He or she would piss off too many law abiding gun owners.


AI Overview

There isn't a single, universally agreed-upon number for U.S. gun laws, but it's estimated to be over 20,000 at the federal, state, and local levels, though many are not directly about gun ownership or sale but rather administrative or local regulations. The landscape also includes federal legislation, a wide array of state laws that vary significantly by jurisdiction, and a patchwork of local ordinances.


Breakdown of Gun Laws by Level
These establish baseline rules for gun ownership, including regulations on the manufacture, sale, transfer, and record-keeping of firearms.


Since federal law has gaps, many states have enacted their own gun safety laws. These laws vary significantly, creating a "patchwork" of regulations across the country, with some states having very strong laws and others having much weaker ones.


Cities and municipalities can also enact their own ordinances, which can range from zoning for gun stores to restrictions on the discharge of firearms.
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National laws will be tough to come by . . . absolutely true. When folks like myself--people who grew up with and carried firearms--are fed up with the senseless slaughter, some kind of regulatory change will eventually happen. Sadly, I have no idea how to hasten that day to come.
 
bomberfox said:
Crime was going down. What you want them to be there forever?
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Not in the least. I don't think they should be there to begin with. That wasn't the question I posed. I even said in the OP to take out the point whether they should be there to begin with or not.
 
jaypatriot said:
What is your big concern with NG troops being in D.C.?
What is it you fear? Trump looking better if crime statistics look better?
If crime goes down, it's a win-win for everyone.
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Not the point of the OP. Learn reading comprehension. I said in it to take out the point whether they should be there or not. If crime goes up right when the NG leaves, was the mission a success. If crimes stays low after they leave, does the ends justify the means? Do you need me to repeat it a third time?
 
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