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I appreciate your candor.
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is not only a complete a-hole, but should be punished to the full extent of the law.
No, it wasn't. Go lurk for a few minutes on any white nationalist nest. They're panicking over this, because they KNOW it has turned people off from them. Things got too intense too quickly, and it was one of them who wound up dialing it to 11. Some of their own members have actually left because of this -- either because they've had a change of heart, or because they just don't wanna lose their jobs over someone finding out.
This was not a victory. They know they have an uphill battle gaining traction in America, and bad press is bad right now. They're bigots, not stupid. This was a loss for them and they know it.
Suppose the worst, most vile and hated "lawful assembly" you've ever heard of is coming to a town near you.
You're incensed and disgusted by the mere thought of the people who would actually support such hideous thoughts and ideologies.
That they have enough "power" to hold a public demonstration, and get legal protection to do so makes your blood boil.
At least 1000 people are projected to attend this protest.
Now, suppose this:
There are absolutely no counter-protesters anywhere. None.
What would that signify? What would it accomplish? What might it condone?
Does the size of the counter-protest mean something?
Would it actually send a stronger message if there was no counter-protest at all?
If the entire event was ignored, would that be the best "counter-punch" to those who would attend?
What's a bigger thrill for the original protesters? Silence, or a loud and extreme counter-protest?
Well, these white nationalists do these kinds of provocative demonstrations in order to get reactions out of people (hence the word 'provocative'). If people just paid them no mind, and ignored them entirely, maybe we'd see less of these demonstrations take place.
You may have a point. If they lose membership, that's a good thing, so if you're right about that, then I stand corrected.
I just don't think any of them are normal people. I think they're a band of misfits and sociopaths. Their beliefs are so ridiculous that thinking they really care what other people think of them, I think, is a stretch.
What is the "best way to beat them", in your opinion?
Straight up confrontation is not going to work.
In fact, that's what "they" want. Right?
GOP voter turnout in the Utah-3 CD and the GOP senate primary in Alabama was very low. Once again, the Trafalgar Group nailed the GOP results almost exactly in Alabama. Looks to me like turnout in the midterm will be a problem for the GOP.
When the DEM candidate Doug Jones, 61% and no divisive runoff, was brought up by GOPs, they immediately zoomed to Pelosi and Schumer. This schtick won't work forever; typical for GOPs to offer negative instead of positives.
The Alabama general for this special senate election is in December; Utah on 11/7/17; Ossoff is considering another run at the GA-6 CD ;;
The Pelosi schtick Will work in GOP districts. She is the number one hated Democrat by Republicans. Schumer not so much as most of those stirred up by Pelosi don't know who Schumer is. Pelosi was once Speaker of the House, a high profile hatred developed. Reid as Senate majority leader also had a high profile hatred. Schumer, perhaps low profile hatred, but many don't have the slightest idea who he is.
Turnout, there could be two things at work there. Where Trump is going to drive Democrats to the polls in the midterms, he may hurt the GOP turnout. You always had around 20% of Republicans who didn't like Trump one bit and still don't. The question is if the midterms are about Trump, how many of those stay home instead of voting for their Republican senators and congressmen? With no Hillary Clinton which they disliked a whole lot more than Trump, of course in the general they would come out for vote Trump, I should say vote against Clinton, not necessarily for Trump.
Its way too early to tell at this point. What is interesting is Trump's job approval is down from 90% at the end of January to 75% today among Republicans. There will be no Hillary Clinton to unite the party for the midterms. You may indeed have a higher than usual turnout among Democrats for the midterms and lower among Republicans. One other item, overall approval of Democrats in congress is at 36%, 21% among independents. Overall approval of Republicans in congress is at 22% and only 10% among independents.
36% is nothing to be proud at. But it's great when compared to the GOP numbers. The polls don't break it down, but some of that wide gap may be Trump supporters mad at the GOP congress critters for not supporting Trump and vice versa.
That is generally true in practice. There are numerous white nationalist rallies and KKK marches you've never heard of, because no one paid them any attention.
But if people show up, what they should do is laugh. Laugh uproariously. Laugh while saying "you're pulling or leg, right?" Just laugh and laugh and laugh.
I like the idea of a counter protest. I don't support violence during these protests, but a lot of that really is on the police and the mayor to make sure they are adequately prepared. Keep these groups separated to the best of your abilities. I don't think you can defeat a message by hoping it goes away.
Does any of this have anything to do with the thread's OP and related conversations?
Just answering a question asked. Is there something wrong with that?
However, the First Amendment does not require a public institution to risk imminent violence to students and others."
Holy hyperbole Batman. You do realize not everyone who opposes the removal of these statues is a Nazi, right?
You are defined by the company you keep regardless.
Do you have anything to add to the topic of the thread?
Suppose the worst, most vile and hated "lawful assembly" you've ever heard of is coming to a town near you.
You're incensed and disgusted by the mere thought of the people who would actually support such hideous thoughts and ideologies.
That they have enough "power" to hold a public demonstration, and get legal protection to do so makes your blood boil.
At least 1000 people are projected to attend this protest.
Now, suppose this:
There are absolutely no counter-protesters anywhere. None.
What would that signify? What would it accomplish? What might it condone?
Does the size of the counter-protest mean something?
Would it actually send a stronger message if there was no counter-protest at all?
If the entire event was ignored, would that be the best "counter-punch" to those who would attend?
What's a bigger thrill for the original protesters? Silence, or a loud and extreme counter-protest?
Suppose the worst, most vile and hated "lawful assembly" you've ever heard of is coming to a town near you.
You're incensed and disgusted by the mere thought of the people who would actually support such hideous thoughts and ideologies.
That they have enough "power" to hold a public demonstration, and get legal protection to do so makes your blood boil.
At least 1000 people are projected to attend this protest.
Now, suppose this:
There are absolutely no counter-protesters anywhere. None.
What would that signify? What would it accomplish? What might it condone?
Does the size of the counter-protest mean something?
Would it actually send a stronger message if there was no counter-protest at all?
If the entire event was ignored, would that be the best "counter-punch" to those who would attend?
What's a bigger thrill for the original protesters? Silence, or a loud and extreme counter-protest?
Well, these white nationalists do these kinds of provocative demonstrations in order to get reactions out of people (hence the word 'provocative'). If people just paid them no mind, and ignored them entirely, maybe we'd see less of these demonstrations take place.
Well, these white nationalists do these kinds of provocative demonstrations in order to get reactions out of people (hence the word 'provocative'). If people just paid them no mind, and ignored them entirely, maybe we'd see less of these demonstrations take place.
I feel that violence against the property and destruction of the statue certainly makes the counter-protesters look like criminals.
Suppose the worst, most vile and hated "lawful assembly" you've ever heard of is coming to a town near you.
You're incensed and disgusted by the mere thought of the people who would actually support such hideous thoughts and ideologies.
That they have enough "power" to hold a public demonstration, and get legal protection to do so makes your blood boil.
At least 1000 people are projected to attend this protest.
Now, suppose this:
There are absolutely no counter-protesters anywhere. None.
What would that signify? What would it accomplish? What might it condone?
Does the size of the counter-protest mean something?
Would it actually send a stronger message if there was no counter-protest at all?
If the entire event was ignored, would that be the best "counter-punch" to those who would attend?
What's a bigger thrill for the original protesters? Silence, or a loud and extreme counter-protest?
The crowd is not the sum of its parts.
I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
What's this guy look like?
Georgia GOP Rep. Tells Former Colleague She May ‘Go Missing’ Over Criticism of Confederate Monuments
https://theintercept.com/2017/08/29...sing-over-criticism-of-confederate-monuments/
The crowd is not the sum of its parts.
I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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