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What gays should expect from new wave republicans

****** Why does anyone need to Declare they won't discriminate ???? Also can we operate on the assumption that little discrimination exists period???

****** The substantial difference between Conservatives and Progressive Liberals on this matter is that one doesn't think there should be specific protected groups and the other does.
 
Zinc Route said:
****** Why does anyone need to Declare they won't discriminate ???? Also can we operate on the assumption that little discrimination exists period???

****** The substantial difference between Conservatives and Progressive Liberals on this matter is that one doesn't think there should be specific protected groups and the other does.
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Right. Liberals discriminate against class and race most often, wheras Conservatives believe everyone is equal.
 
Jerry said:
Right. Liberals discriminate against class and race most often, wheras Conservatives believe everyone is equal.
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Equality is not firing state workers once their homosexuality becomes known.

I agree, this is a step backwards.
 
Orion said:
Equality is not firing state workers once their homosexuality becomes known.
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Well they shouldn't sign statements that they're not homosexual then.

I certainly wouldn't.
 
Jerry said:
Well they shouldn't sign statements that they're not homosexual then.

I certainly wouldn't.
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I wasn't aware of such statements.

If that's true, then that's a whole other level of inequality.

Firing them for being liars is one thing; firing them for being gay is another.
 
Zinc Route said:
****** Why does anyone need to Declare they won't discriminate ???? Also can we operate on the assumption that little discrimination exists period???
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Because discrimination DOES exist and I think if we start dismissing it as not really there or not a big problem then we run the risk of ignoring the very real damage it can do to people's lives.

I'll be the first to admit and champion the idea that we're becoming a much more open society now than we've been probably ever. But that doesnt change the fact that discrimination is a very real thing that we need to be concerned about.

We've handled the idea of discrimination quite badly in years past and I think we still mishandle how we try to fix the problem, but thats not to say it's unfixable.

****** The substantial difference between Conservatives and Progressive Liberals on this matter is that one doesn't think there should be specific protected groups and the other does.
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I think we can at least agree that there are groups more prone to being discriminated against. With that in mind, is it not right that we do more to protect groups that are at greater risk for discrimination?
 
Orion said:
I wasn't aware of such statements.

If that's true, then that's a whole other level of inequality.

Firing them for being liars is one thing; firing them for being gay is another.
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National Guard = "state employee", which is the only state job I can think of which will fire you for being gay.
 
Hoplite said:
Because discrimination DOES exist and I think if we start dismissing it as not really there or not a big problem then we run the risk of ignoring the very real damage it can do to people's lives.

I'll be the first to admit and champion the idea that we're becoming a much more open society now than we've been probably ever. But that doesnt change the fact that discrimination is a very real thing that we need to be concerned about.

We've handled the idea of discrimination quite badly in years past and I think we still mishandle how we try to fix the problem, but thats not to say it's unfixable.

I think we can at least agree that there are groups more prone to being discriminated against. With that in mind, is it not right that we do more to protect groups that are at greater risk for discrimination?
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****** What category needs the Most protection ????

******* To be more precise I contend that We are not the same Nation we were once in these regards. There is a Greater tolerance all around BUT a headlong rush into a society with few standards of decency and immigration at levels not seen since TR Roosevelt was President is not an ideal situation . It causes problems.

****** I also realize YOU are focused on Gay Issues in this regard, and I truly suiggest that Many just cool things for at least a few years.
 
Zinc Route said:
****** What category needs the Most protection ????
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You have no idea which groups of people get discriminated against most often?

******* To be more precise I contend that We are not the same Nation we were once in these regards. There is a Greater tolerance all around BUT a headlong rush into a society with few standards of decency and immigration at levels not seen since TR Roosevelt was President is not an ideal situation . It causes problems.
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"Standards of decency"? I think that's your fear of change speaking.

****** I also realize YOU are focused on Gay Issues in this regard, and I truly suiggest that Many just cool things for at least a few years.
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Why? Because homosexuals make you uncomfortable? :doh
 
EgoffTib said:
You have no idea which groups of people get discriminated against most often?


"Standards of decency"? I think that's your fear of change speaking.


Why? Because homosexuals make you uncomfortable? :doh
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***** Odds are that most in this Country for ever - in SOME regards will be uncomfortable with Homosexuals. I don't see this changing . Tolerance is one thing - having your face rubbed in it is another.
 
Zinc Route said:
***** Odds are that most in this Country for ever - in SOME regards will be uncomfortable with Homosexuals. I don't see this changing . Tolerance is one thing - having your face rubbed in it is another.
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Conservatives can be fairly flamboyant in their own way IMHO.
 
Zinc Route said:
***** Odds are that most in this Country for ever - in SOME regards will be uncomfortable with Homosexuals. I don't see this changing . Tolerance is one thing - having your face rubbed in it is another.
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Zinc Route said:
****** What category needs the Most protection ????
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I dont know that I'm equipped to properly answer that question.

******* To be more precise I contend that We are not the same Nation we were once in these regards. There is a Greater tolerance all around BUT a headlong rush into a society with few standards of decency and immigration at levels not seen since TR Roosevelt was President is not an ideal situation . It causes problems.
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So is your shtick against immigration or tolerance, you're being rather unclear.

****** I also realize YOU are focused on Gay Issues in this regard, and I truly suiggest that Many just cool things for at least a few years.
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What makes you think I'm focused on "gay issues" moreso than others? I speak on it more but that's because thats often what comes up here.

Zinc Route said:
***** Odds are that most in this Country for ever - in SOME regards will be uncomfortable with Homosexuals. I don't see this changing . Tolerance is one thing - having your face rubbed in it is another.
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Except you either cant define or are hypocritical of what "having ones face rubbed in it" means.

Let me ask you something, Zinc, are you married and do you have any children? This is an honest and serious question.
 
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There's a lot you don't get.
 
So just some fact finding - and maybe TPMD or some other sources have this data and I'm just not aware.

- Prior to 2006 when Kaine signed his bill into law, how many homosexuals were fired due to their sexual orientation?

- Since this current bill was signed, how many homosexuals were fired due to their sexual orientation?


Not sure how this applies to the Federal protections provided - States cannot overturn Federal protections within their borders. If firings were to occur due to sexual orientation someone sometime would send it through the State circuit courts to the Federal courts. It would be one of those high profile pro-bono cases that only gives the lawyers good PR fighting the "tyrannical power" that this OP sees as "new republicans". The logical fallacy is applied that all new republicans are equal to Virginia Governor Bob McConnell.

So can I make a claim that all new liberals are equal to Alan Grayson (D) Florida and everything he says is equal to new Democrats? Hmm... the taint of hyperpartisan hackery pervades this thread while the Old Spice topic fails to cover the stench.
 
Zinc Route said:
***** Odds are that most in this Country for ever - in SOME regards will be uncomfortable with Homosexuals. I don't see this changing . Tolerance is one thing - having your face rubbed in it is another.
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Exactly how does a homosexual man rub your face in his gayness?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Exactly how does a homosexual man rub your face in his gayness?
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****** My nephew is Gay. He's a now 50 year old decadent Greedy Bastard who has manipulated his Mother (my sister) - I've given up being Civil or considerate to him. He's been HIV since 1997 - now has Throat cancer and is undergoing radiation. 50/50 odds they say( ???)


******* Since I joined the Church his attitude is rather obvious.
 
Zinc Route said:
****** My nephew is Gay. He's a now 50 year old decadent Greedy Bastard who has manipulated his Mother (my sister) - I've given up being Civil or considerate to him. He's been HIV since 1997 - now has Throat cancer and is undergoing radiation. 50/50 odds they say( ???)


******* Since I joined the Church his attitude is rather obvious.
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maybe he's just a bastard, his sexual orientation has nothing to do with it?
 
******* More to the point however. In 2004 in the time of Gavin Newsome in SF opening the Floodgates to Same Sex Marriage (for political reasons) some of those scenes on the steps of City Hall was (and will always be) offensive to a portion of the larger society. It certainly helped GWB get his 2nd term and Newsome and othe Hard Liberals in retrospect know it.

***** I do not see this changing. Now we can respect each other as Human beings as much as possible but some will hold onto a few values even if others think them archaic and discriminatory.
 
Ockham said:
So can I make a claim that all new liberals are equal to Alan Grayson (D) Florida and everything he says is equal to new Democrats? Hmm... the taint of hyperpartisan hackery pervades this thread while the Old Spice topic fails to cover the stench.
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I dunno, I kinda like how Grayson is a complete asshole towards Helicopter Ben.
 
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