What does the right see in Trump

[tres borrachos]

I've got to say I'm really getting a kick out of this whole Trump/tres borrachos love that dare not speak it's name thing.
It's like they can't distinguish objective observation about someone from support of that person.
Probably because they have no experience at it.

"Probably"?

 

[SocialD]

Guilty as charged , I miss read your post. Its a safe place saying you don't have a party but I've found out quite easily that it's rarely the case, comment here a half dozen times and everyone will know what party is yours. The safety of I got no party affiliation.

Well at least you admitted you misread it. As far as party you will assume whatever you want to assume. Ive never once registered for any party. Ive voted for dems , reps, libertarians whichever candidate I feel is the best available. Party doesn't mean all that much. I look at things ideological and as a fiscal conservative I will tend to vote for the person who I believe will come closest to that generally.

 

[tres borrachos]

Well at least you admitted you misread it. As far as party you will assume whatever you want to assume. Ive never once registered for any party. Ive voted for dems , reps, libertarians whichever candidate I feel is the best available. Party doesn't mean all that much. I look at things ideological and as a fiscal conservative I will tend to vote for the person who I believe will come closest to that generally.

Wow, someone else who does that. I was starting to think I was a dying breed.

 

[zimmer]

Oh my... this breaks the Lame Meter.

He speaks their language totally, it isn't nice but its on par with the rest of the party.

Yes... on issues like borders, security, illegal immigration... If he acts on this, helps get government off the backs of peoplet (and ObamaKare), and is unrelenting towards ISIS and other parasites... he will be a legend.

That's his language, and we hear him loud and clear.

Nobody was touching immigration, or the risk of letting in masses of Muslims... and they wanted someone to. He didn't put a toe in either... he went in of the 10m Tower... head first. People responded.

They often talk about thinking that a business man in the seat would get things done and they usually add good business man which is something this clown isn't. If he would have retired the day that his daddy gave him his fortune and simply put the money into a S and P mutual fund he would be worth about 10 billion more then he is now. That adds up to a loss over just investing in a broad investment fund of 400 Million a year.

Yes... he could see that as clearly as you could now.

Perhaps he wanted to build something and make a dent in the universe. He did, and is continuing.

Trump will be around like other iconic American names.

As for a business man running the country. Good. Especially one not beholden to anyone.That appeals too.

 

[humbolt]

"Probably"?

Probably absolutely. Or absolutely probably. Either way. I'm such a stickler. Really, I am. Just not so much for those that can't distinguish fact from fiction, needs from wants, and imagination from reality. I usually throw all such people into the ass hole bin - people who use "con" and "regressive" and think it's somehow cool or something. There's just no need to deal with the lower end of the political spectrum IQ. They usually eat each other in the end anyway.

 

[Fenton]

Another half of a thought. California will have the highest population of many things but then you would be excluding a persons capacity to think ,wouldn't you???????. Take any city in the bottom ten Regressive states and compare their quality of life to Los Angeles, San Diego or San Francisco. You have me rolling on the floor as usual. By the way quality of life includes everything .
Your party offers nothing for this country as far as the real population is concerned , unless your in the 1%.

I would advise you to think before you post your posr but something tells me you would just ignore it.

The Homeless Crisis In San Francisco That Nobody Is Talking About | ThinkProgress

Yea, California cities are something else ! Here in Houston we aren't struggling with a Homeless crisis.

 

[JoeTrumps]

wow. 6 pages of liberals congratulating each other for their moral superiority. haven't seen that before. oh wait, I see it every day on here. sorry. never mind. continue patting yourselves on the back, it's what you're best at.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Doing well is not knowing that if he retired the day he got daddy's money and invested in a no think S and P fund he would be worth billions more. 5 bankruptcies, lost billions there. There is no indication that he is a good anything. Which goes with my premise that he's worthless piece of dung.

Well quite obviously he has done better than I thought. If he lost billions considering what he started with and the amount he spent as well as his estimated net worth which could be as high as 7 billion he has done great. It is clear he decided to do something with his life rather than sit on his backside. We need more people like him in this country. It also clearly shows he has the drive to do things and get things done. Possibly a strong leader who can get things done in the White House as well.

I am just glad to see he is not a politically correct party puppet who believes restricting my rights and freedom is what will make this country great. I am also glad he has the courage to speak out against rewarding people who break our laws, enter our country illegally, with no respect for our laws are not the kind of people we want as immigrants or citizens one day. We don't need any more criminals in this country. Not when there are 10's of millions of honest law abiding people waiting to come to this country legally.

 

[jbander]

If you say so. From my perch, I don't see any candidate, in either party, and for a long time, who would be more anti-libertarian than Mr. Trump. Even if he were not a vulgar jerk, I would have to resist his candidacy by all legal means available. Judging from the recent issue of National Review (to name one example) conservatives mostly share the sentiment.

Your attempt to put this guy somewhere else other than aligned with you and the people you are saying don't aligner themselves with him is nothing but a cop out. That is theirs and your cop out, You are looking in a mirror and saying he's not me. He is all you, he has just put together every hateful thing that has come out of your party for years and made it clear to all who you and your party are. He just saying it all the time but there is not one thing he is saying daily that hasn't come from the mouths of you regressives many times in the past. You own him totally.

 

[jbander]

What does the Right see in Trump? Testosterone. Money. Testosterone. Rejection of any hint of political correctness. Testosterone.

And more testosterone.

Not brains (they would have picked almost anyone else).
Not conservative ideals (Trump is NOT a conservative).
Not family values (his present wife is not just his third wife, but also the very definition of a trophy wife).
Just I'm-tough-and-everyone-else-either-supports-me-or-they're-stupid testosterone.

It says progressive on your handle, don't be swayed with the bull **** that trump isn't a conservative or what is coming out of his mouth is not 2016 conservatism in this country. It is 100% conservatism. If it isn't conservatism what is it?????????? There is nothing he is saying that some other regressive hasn't been saying. there is nothing he is saying that will come out of a Democrats mouth.

 

[Cyrylek]

Your attempt to put this guy somewhere else other than aligned with you and the people you are saying don't aligner themselves with him is nothing but a cop out. That is theirs and your cop out, You are looking in a mirror and saying he's not me. He is all you, he has just put together every hateful thing that has come out of your party for years and made it clear to all who you and your party are. He just saying it all the time but there is not one thing he is saying daily that hasn't come from the mouths of you regressives many times in the past. You own him totally.

Nonsense. How can someone who is - reliably, unfailingly, in word and deed, over and over again - anti-libertarian be anything but Not-Me?

 

[jbander]

Well at least you admitted you misread it. As far as party you will assume whatever you want to assume. Ive never once registered for any party. Ive voted for dems , reps, libertarians whichever candidate I feel is the best available. Party doesn't mean all that much. I look at things ideological and as a fiscal conservative I will tend to vote for the person who I believe will come closest to that generally.

Your last sentence just repeated what I said. Your politics is given away in 2 or 3 posts here. Everyone's is.

 

[SocialD]

Your last sentence just repeated what I said. Your politics is given away in 2 or 3 posts here. Everyone's is.

No it doesn't repeat what you said. you said I gave away my party. and I don't have a party. If you had said I had made clear my ideology then that might be more apt, but that's not what you said nor what you keep insisting.

 

[jbander]

Oh my... this breaks the Lame Meter.


Yes... on issues like borders, security, illegal immigration... If he acts on this, helps get government off the backs of peoplet (and ObamaKare), and is unrelenting towards ISIS and other parasites... he will be a legend.

That's his language, and we hear him loud and clear.

Nobody was touching immigration, or the risk of letting in masses of Muslims... and they wanted someone to. He didn't put a toe in either... he went in of the 10m Tower... head first. People responded.


Yes... he could see that as clearly as you could now.

Perhaps he wanted to build something and make a dent in the universe. He did, and is continuing.

Trump will be around like other iconic American names.

As for a business man running the country. Good. Especially one not beholden to anyone.That appeals too.

At least your not running from him because your think your standards are higher then his. You admit it straight out that they are equal. The regressive are trying to suggest that whats coming out of his mouth isn't conservative or regressive party speak. It is totally, look in a mirror this is who you are regressives.

 

[jbander]

Probably absolutely. Or absolutely probably. Either way. I'm such a stickler. Really, I am. Just not so much for those that can't distinguish fact from fiction, needs from wants, and imagination from reality. I usually throw all such people into the ass hole bin - people who use "con" and "regressive" and think it's somehow cool or something. There's just no need to deal with the lower end of the political spectrum IQ. They usually eat each other in the end anyway.

Now this is funny , why are you here then.

 

[jbander]

I would advise you to think before you post your posr but something tells me you would just ignore it.

The Homeless Crisis In San Francisco That Nobody Is Talking About | ThinkProgress

Yea, California cities are something else ! Here in Houston we aren't struggling with a Homeless crisis.

Ya what did you do? give them some of that good Texas justice and shoot them all.

 

[reinoe]

wow. 6 pages of liberals congratulating each other for their moral superiority. haven't seen that before. oh wait, I see it every day on here. sorry. never mind. continue patting yourselves on the back, it's what you're best at.

It's just jbander and he's becoming unhinged in the process.

 

[reinoe]

Nonsense. How can someone who is - reliably, unfailingly, in word and deed, over and over again - anti-libertarian be anything but Not-Me?

Enforcing our immigrations laws is a matter of national security. Whether that aligns with your beliefs depends on where in the libertarian social spectrum you are. Likewise calling out the E.U. and considering the possibility of withdrawel is also not necessarily anti-libertarian. Considering that the "free trade" deals are actually corporate giveaways and government interference in the market, that is also something that should line up very well with libertarian ideals.

Perhaps you should change your lean to "communist" so that Trump can truly be against everything you believe in?

 

[jbander]

The only one lying or distorting anything here is YOU.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/22/u...itch-more-taxes-for-more-government.html?_r=1



So that's $1.38 TRILLION... JUST for the health care. Now add in all of the "free" college and "free" everything else and the $2 Trillion figure I threw out is actually LOW.


This is why the Sanders campaign is such a joke. It appeals to the lazy, the stupid, the unmotivated, the envious, and the easily manipulated. There isn't a snowballs chance in hell any of this stuff would ever pass congress, it would bankrupt us if it did, but yet the Sanders people stand there with that stupid "deer in the headlights" look when confronted by this reality. When pressed, about the best they can offer is... "dude, like the big banks and stuff have turned us into slaves... and stuff".


"The stupid now have a voice!! Vote for Bernie!!"

The money is easy easy ,----Last year, the average working family paid $4,955 in premiums and $1,318 in deductibles to private health insurance companies. Under this plan, a family of four earning $50,000 would pay just $466 per year to the single-payer program, amounting to a savings of over $5,800 for that family each year.

Businesses would save over $9,400 a year in health care costs for the average employee.
The average annual cost to the employer for a worker with a family who makes $50,000 a year would go from $12,591 to just $3,100.

HOW MUCH WILL IT COST AND HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT?
HOW MUCH WILL IT COST?
This plan has been estimated to cost $1.38 trillion per year.

THE PLAN WOULD BE FULLY PAID FOR BY:
A 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers.
Revenue raised: $630 billion per year.

A 2.2 percent income-based premium paid by households.
Revenue raised: $210 billion per year.
This year, a family of four taking the standard deduction can have income up to $28,800 and not pay this tax under this plan.
A family of four making $50,000 a year taking the standard deduction would only pay $466 this year.

Progressive income tax rates.
Revenue raised: $110 billion a year.Under this plan the marginal income tax rate would be:
37 percent on income between $250,000 and $500,000.
43 percent on income between $500,000 and $2 million.
48 percent on income between $2 million and $10 million. (In 2013, only 113,000 households, the top 0.08 percent of taxpayers, had income between $2 million and $10 million.)
52 percent on income above $10 million. (In 2013, only 13,000 households, just 0.01 percent of taxpayers, had income exceeding $10 million.)

Taxing capital gains and dividends the same as income from work.
Revenue raised: $92 billion per year.
Now this definitely doesn't hurt anyone I'm concerned about. Not one meal missed, not one bill not paid and both business and people come out ahead. It leans on the people that have had a free ride in this country.

 

[Fenton]

Ya what did you do? give them some of that good Texas justice and shoot them all.

Huh ? Texas shot San Frandisco's homeless people ?

Would it kill you to make a intelligent and lucid rebuttal ? Or are you incapable of making sense ?

 

[DifferentDrummr]

Considering 65% of us on the right did not vote for him in the primaries, your entire post is flawed.

Not that I expect an honest answer from you, but would you vote for him in the general if he got the nomination?

 

[jbander]

No it doesn't repeat what you said. you said I gave away my party. and I don't have a party. If you had said I had made clear my ideology then that might be more apt, but that's not what you said nor what you keep insisting.

Can't tell the truth can you, you could have just argued the merit of your point but like almost all regressives even when the truth is enough they double down and lie or distort to make it worse. Your response is bogus of course.Never said you gave away your party did I. Did I???????????????????????

 

[jbander]

Enforcing our immigrations laws is a matter of national security. Whether that aligns with your beliefs depends on where in the libertarian social spectrum you are. Likewise calling out the E.U. and considering the possibility of withdrawel is also not necessarily anti-libertarian. Considering that the "free trade" deals are actually corporate giveaways and government interference in the market, that is also something that should line up very well with libertarian ideals.

Perhaps you should change your lean to "communist" so that Trump can truly be against everything you believe in?

Yup a Libertarian , which we have all found out is nothing more then a Anarchist for the wealthy.

 

[Port & Starboard]

He speaks their language totally, it isn't nice but its on par with the rest of the party. They often talk about thinking that a business man in the seat would get things done and they usually add good business man which is something this clown isn't. If he would have retired the day that his daddy gave him his fortune and simply put the money into a S and P mutual fund he would be worth about 10 billion more then he is now. That adds up to a loss over just investing in a broad investment fund of 400 Million a year.

I take it you do not like Trump, and want to make every excuse in the world for people like Hillary (or Bernie) who never done anything in their lives outside of government. She is running for the very office that her husband used to seduce a brain dead, gullible intern in.......how sick is that?

 

[Fenton]

The money is easy easy ,----Last year, the average working family paid $4,955 in premiums and $1,318 in deductibles to private health insurance companies. Under this plan, a family of four earning $50,000 would pay just $466 per year to the single-payer program, amounting to a savings of over $5,800 for that family each year.

Businesses would save over $9,400 a year in health care costs for the average employee.
The average annual cost to the employer for a worker with a family who makes $50,000 a year would go from $12,591 to just $3,100.

HOW MUCH WILL IT COST AND HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT?
HOW MUCH WILL IT COST?
This plan has been estimated to cost $1.38 trillion per year.

THE PLAN WOULD BE FULLY PAID FOR BY:
A 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers.
Revenue raised: $630 billion per year.

A 2.2 percent income-based premium paid by households.
Revenue raised: $210 billion per year.
This year, a family of four taking the standard deduction can have income up to $28,800 and not pay this tax under this plan.
A family of four making $50,000 a year taking the standard deduction would only pay $466 this year.

Progressive income tax rates.
Revenue raised: $110 billion a year.Under this plan the marginal income tax rate would be:
37 percent on income between $250,000 and $500,000.
43 percent on income between $500,000 and $2 million.
48 percent on income between $2 million and $10 million. (In 2013, only 113,000 households, the top 0.08 percent of taxpayers, had income between $2 million and $10 million.)
52 percent on income above $10 million. (In 2013, only 13,000 households, just 0.01 percent of taxpayers, had income exceeding $10 million.)

Taxing capital gains and dividends the same as income from work.
Revenue raised: $92 billion per year.
Now this definitely doesn't hurt anyone I'm concerned about. Not one meal missed, not one bill not paid and both business and people come out ahead. It leans on the people that have had a free ride in this country.

If Single payer saves so much money, if its so cost efficient, why couldn't Sanders home State of Vermont make it work ?

Vermont’s Giving Up On Single-Payer Health Care Over Ballooning Costs | The Daily Caller

Vermont abandoned their Single payer initiave even after two Liberal economist ran the numbers and claimed it would save them billions of dollars because they COULDN'T afford it.

They couldn't afford the 160% increase in taxes and they couldn't afford what Single payer would have done to their local economy.

You're living in Liberal La la land, where Sanders agenda makes sense. But in the real world, Liberal initiatives dont make sense and they're not cost effective.

Sanders would turn the whole of America into the Liberal hell hole that is Detroit, or Flint, or Chicago, or all of California, and his supporters would call that " progress "