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15% to me is unreasonably high. I know both the Reps AND Dems skew participation for their own benefit, but really it should be no more than 5% required.With his name already slated to be on every state ballot in the country in November, the next step is to be included in more national polls so he can work toward achieving the 15 percent needed for eligibility in the Presidential Commission debates with Obama and Romney, a goal even he admits is far-fetched.
To me, the Libertarian Party's biggest roadblock is itself. It doesn't organize locally. It doesn't build from the ground up. It would have to become what it loathes... a political organization that plays the game... in order to expand beyond the fringes.
Greater frontal lobe development of the majority of the population.
Greater frontal lobe development of the majority of the population.
AHA!!! Its not Johnny's fault that nobody else in the parade is leading with that foot. Its everybody else who is out of step but Johnny.
Spoken like a true doting and forgiving mother blinded to reality by love.
What does Libertarian Party (party, not individuals) need to happen for them to move forward in their agenda and helping the country?
Well you're pretty much the other side of that coin, so I'm not sure how much room you have to talk there NP...I mean haymarket.
Realistically? Probably a total collapse of the system as we know it.
AHA!!! Its not Johnny's fault that nobody else in the parade is leading with that foot. Its everybody else who is out of step but Johnny.
Spoken like a true doting and forgiving mother blinded to reality by love.
What does Libertarian Party (party, not individuals) need to happen for them to move forward in their agenda and helping the country?
There are some who are so anti-libertarian that they will never give the notion an objective chance, but they will post here anyway. *sigh*. Personally, while I used to be libertarian, I no longer consider myself to be so, yet I still hold many of the ideals. Where they lose me is the utter lack of understanding of human nature, but be that as it may, there's a great deal of the philosophy that I still like. Anyway...
If libertarian philosophy and the Libertarian Party is to move forward and actually effect change, what has to happen? I'm speaking primarily for this year and in this year's November elections.
1. Develop a base? I.e.: local, state, Congress, etc. offices first?
2. Elect a President without a base?
3. Be included in Presidential debates?
4. Carry 10%+ of the popular vote in the Presidential election?
5. Other?
To me, the Libertarian Party's biggest roadblock is itself. It doesn't organize locally. It doesn't build from the ground up. It would have to become what it loathes... a political organization that plays the game... in order to expand beyond the fringes. This is really the catch-22, isn't it? Compromise to gain access and change, or remain loyal to ideals and remain irrelevant.
Note: This link is just meant as a reference for the thread... Gary Johnson 2.0: the Libertarians
I really do not get that one Ikari. Care to explain it?
Realistically? Probably a total collapse of the system as we know it.
A few things need to happen I think. One is certainly to focus the platform and to try to address some of the perception issues with the cause. I think a lot of folk can easily get caught in the "they just want to legalize drugs" mentality because some sect of libertarians push it a lot and other people are too lazy to actually accumulate the data necessary to make an educated opinion. Being included in the presidential debates would be HUGE. In fact, it's tied into a lot of campaign finance reform as the system is currently set to only allow the R and D through and if you want to run not of that sect, you're gonna have to be independently wealthy. So there's a lot of problems with participation and political competition built into the system currently. I think that if we can clear our message and get it out to people honestly, that there would be a lot more interest involved. Perhaps enough to threaten on of the main parties power. That's not to say that they would replace the party, but if they can garner enough votes primarily from one party such that the party has a hard time winning elections, that party will have to change its philosophy and candidates to recapture the lost votes to compete against the other.
In the end, third party ideology is very very tough to get off the ground and all rules and regulations are created to ensure they don't.
Even if it were more in the spotlight, the tenants of libertarianism wouldn't be that well received, in my opinion.
Many libertarians don't offer simplistic, single solution cure alls.
It's just not gonna be as popular, until people become better problem solvers.
Even if it were more in the spotlight, the tenants of libertarianism wouldn't be that well received, in my opinion.
Many libertarians don't offer simplistic, single solution cure alls.
It's just not gonna be as popular, until people become better problem solvers.
so.... 2022, then?
Even if it were more in the spotlight, the tenants of libertarianism wouldn't be that well received, in my opinion.
Many libertarians don't offer simplistic, single solution cure alls.
It's just not gonna be as popular, until people become better problem solvers.
Explaining anything to you, is a fruitless en devour.
Any and every time, a thread on libertarians or libertarianism comes up, you trot your way in to insult all said members.
Why should I waste my time on someone with an ax to grind?
When it comes to your critique of the libertarian party, you emulate Navy Pride's argument style. Clear enough?
First it needs to work on it's PR. Very few people in America even know what libertarianism is about. This is largely due to the fact that the media gives them zero attention, and the media gives them zero attention because they don't have a base. It's a vicious cycle.What does Libertarian Party (party, not individuals) need to happen for them to move forward in their agenda and helping the country?
There are some who are so anti-libertarian that they will never give the notion an objective chance, but they will post here anyway. *sigh*. Personally, while I used to be libertarian, I no longer consider myself to be so, yet I still hold many of the ideals. Where they lose me is the utter lack of understanding of human nature, but be that as it may, there's a great deal of the philosophy that I still like. Anyway...
If libertarian philosophy and the Libertarian Party is to move forward and actually effect change, what has to happen? I'm speaking primarily for this year and in this year's November elections.
1. Develop a base? I.e.: local, state, Congress, etc. offices first?
2. Elect a President without a base?
3. Be included in Presidential debates?
4. Carry 10%+ of the popular vote in the Presidential election?
5. Other?
To me, the Libertarian Party's biggest roadblock is itself. It doesn't organize locally. It doesn't build from the ground up. It would have to become what it loathes... a political organization that plays the game... in order to expand beyond the fringes. This is really the catch-22, isn't it? Compromise to gain access and change, or remain loyal to ideals and remain irrelevant.
Note: This link is just meant as a reference for the thread... Gary Johnson 2.0: the Libertarians
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