What does Kim Jong-in want?

[vegas giants]

If China enacts these sanctions, which they agreed to, NK will be taking a huge hit.

China will never abandon NK. They need them

 

[JANFU]

Wasn't it you who called Trump the Moron-in-Chief?

Funny how if the right defends Trump on anything we are called names and yet here you are defending Little Kim.

Nope- not me. But keep on trying. You have yet to answer my earlier reply - posted above.
Where have I defended the NK leader?
Care to prove that? Or is it just your usual, cannot post a coherent rebuttal so you go to insults and then posting that I support the NK leader, well that is an outright lie.
Prove your allegations, or cease replying to me.

 

[JANFU]

Wasn't it you who called Trump the Moron-in-Chief?

Funny how if the right defends Trump on anything we are called names and yet here you are defending Little Kim.

Nope- not me. But keep on trying. You have yet to answer my earlier reply - posted above.
Where have I defended the NK leader?
Care to prove that? Or is it just your usual, cannot post a coherent rebuttal so you go to insults and then posting that I support the NK leader, so stop posting lies.
Prove your allegations, or cease replying to me.

 

[iguanaman]

The new facts here are that the latest missile tests from NK have demonstrated the ability to reach continental US.

This, with the also new information that NK can, and may have already, miniaturized their nuclear warhead, and then along with their historical track record of their seemingly irrational behavior along with their irrational claim that the US will invade them any day now, significantly raises the threat level to any sane and rational person.

I really don't think that South Korea, Japan, and other US allies in the region, have your same blase' position / opinion on this threat level.

50 years of policies of appeasement and payoffs have gotten us to this very position, with legitimate nuclear threat to the continental US from an irrational national leader. Your position is to continue the same failed policies?

Yes their missiles have a bit more range but the info on their "miniaturizing" warheads is not new. The same agency said the same exact thing years ago and not one other US agency has verified their conclusion now either. Even Tillerson says there is no rise in the threat that NK poses. My position is that there is nothing new about the verbal or physical threats coming from NK and nothing new in our options either. Trump's ratcheting up tensions is the only "new" event and does not help one bit. Nothing about our policies has failed to protect S. Korea or the rest of the world from an attack by N. Korea either. We failed to prevent Pakistan and India from getting a-bombs too. I don't see you making a fuss about that.

 

[bluesmoke]

Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?

He is not a paper tiger. He has the will and the way to attack the US with atomic disaster. I am challenging your contention that he is a "paper tiger".

 

[Moderate Right]

Here is what you said?



The life is worth one what exactly _______________? And do NOT tell me one life because that is a dog chasing its own tail. One what? One dollar?

One life is worth one life and five million lives lost now is better than twenty million lives lost in the future. If we had acted decades ago the losses would have been a lot less than five million. Time to cut our losses before it is too late. But, Little Kim has one last chance. Remember, JFK brought us to within one millimeter of a nuclear world war III to make the world a safer place.

 

[MaggieD]

He is not a paper tiger. He has the will and the way to attack the US with atomic disaster. I am challenging your contention that he is a "paper tiger".

How about this analogy? He's a gnat bothering an elephant. He can hit his neighbors, but if we don't have the defense system to take out his relatively few missiles headed OUR way? Then we've done nothing but waste trillions and gazillions of dollars...

 

[eohrnberger]

Yes their missiles have a bit more range but the info on their "miniaturizing" warheads is not new. The same agency said the same exact thing years ago and not one other US agency has verified their conclusion now either. Even Tillerson says there is no rise in the threat that NK poses. My position is that there is nothing new about the verbal or physical threats coming from NK and nothing new in our options either. Trump's ratcheting up tensions is the only "new" event and does not help one bit. Nothing about our policies has failed to protect S. Korea or the rest of the world from an attack by N. Korea either. We failed to prevent Pakistan and India from getting a-bombs too. I don't see you making a fuss about that.

So then you are endorsing NK's continued extortion of the west and the US?

Just because "there is nothing new about the verbal or physical threats coming from NK" doesn't make actions conducive to stability in the region, far from it, as it clearly induces undesirable instability and a high level of tension.

Surely you must realize that as NK's weapons development continues, resulting in more devastating weapons, that those extortion demands will only increase over time, and you are still endorsing that?

You surely must realize that NK is exporting and proliferating said weapons technologies and developments to other nations such as Iran. The Iran situation is going to be much the same in a fairly short time, once they achieve the same capabilities.

I'm just glad that you aren't in charge of US foreign policy.

Have Pakistan and India used their nuclear capabilities to extort from the west and the US? Threatened stability in the region? Nope. There's the difference. The difference you are ignoring by bringing up the comparison.

Now, should the Taliban take over Pakistan, it might turn into a situation similar to NK and soon to be Iran (both of which are Democrat presidential policy failures).

 

[iguanaman]

So then you are endorsing NK's continued extortion of the west and the US?

Just because "there is nothing new about the verbal or physical threats coming from NK" doesn't make actions conducive to stability in the region, far from it, as it clearly induces undesirable instability and a high level of tension.

Surely you must realize that as NK's weapons development continues, resulting in more devastating weapons, that those extortion demands will only increase over time, and you are still endorsing that?

You surely must realize that NK is exporting and proliferating said weapons technologies and developments to other nations such as Iran. The Iran situation is going to be much the same in a fairly short time, once they achieve the same capabilities.

I'm just glad that you aren't in charge of US foreign policy.

Have Pakistan and India used their nuclear capabilities to extort from the west and the US? Threatened stability in the region? Nope. There's the difference. The difference you are ignoring by bringing up the comparison.

Now, should the Taliban take over Pakistan, it might turn into a situation similar to NK and soon to be Iran (both of which are Democrat presidential policy failures).

You keep talking about "extortion". Please explain how N. Korea can extort anything further out of the west now that no one believes they will ever give up their nukes? Are you expecting Trump to make some deal that the N. Koreans won't keep? Anything is possible with Trump but I think the chances are pretty low. I just glad there are still sane people left in the military that will put the brakes on any rash actions that would endanger the S. Koreans. We have spent billions protecting them and to throw it all away along with millions of lives would be unthinkable. We are not some paranoid little nation that falls prey to irrational fears even if you think we are.

 

[bluesmoke]

How about this analogy? He's a gnat bothering an elephant. He can hit his neighbors, but if we don't have the defense system to take out his relatively few missiles headed OUR way? Then we've done nothing but waste trillions and gazillions of dollars...

Small bites do harm big elephants. We have the best military defense in the world. We can take out missiles headed our way. But, we cannot stop them all. But, that's only what the generals think. Trump knows more than the generals.

 

[haymarket]

One life is worth one life and five million lives lost now is better than twenty million lives lost in the future. If we had acted decades ago the losses would have been a lot less than five million. Time to cut our losses before it is too late. But, Little Kim has one last chance. Remember, JFK brought us to within one millimeter of a nuclear world war III to make the world a safer place.

So the monetary value today of a life is what again?

 

[eohrnberger]

You keep talking about "extortion".

The extortion is plain as day to see. Every time NK can't feed it's own people, which is most of time as their leadership has decided to spend what little their economy produces on military hardware and weapons development, they kick up a fuss of some sort, launch a few missiles conduct a few nuclear tests, and the next thing they get a deal such as what Billy Boy Clinton gave them, the obligations of which they never have any intention of honoring. Pretty much the same as Iran, which'll be the next one to adopt the same behaviors.

Please explain how N. Korea can extort anything further out of the west now that no one believes they will ever give up their nukes?

You daft? It's because they have nukes ,they can command (extort) more, as no one wants to have one of their nukes land and go off on another's country, and rightfully so. Should have thwarted their nuclear and weapons programs when we had the chance, but silly naive Democrat presidents keep getting in the way.

Are you expecting Trump to make some deal that the N. Koreans won't keep?

You aren't listening. NK hasn't kept a deal they've made with the west yet.

Anything is possible with Trump but I think the chances are pretty low.

Oh of course. Completely ignoring the bucket of excrement that the NK situation has become which was handed to him by the previous administration. Of of course.

I just glad there are still sane people left in the military that will put the brakes on any rash actions that would endanger the S. Koreans. We have spent billions protecting them and to throw it all away along with millions of lives would be unthinkable. We are not some paranoid little nation that falls prey to irrational fears even if you think we are.

"We are not some paranoid little nation that falls prey to irrational fears even if you think we are."

No, we are not. However, you can't deny that NK's ICBM and nuclear weapon capabilities isn't something that doesn't represent a threat against, not only the US, but other peaceful nations in the region. From my view, it's high time that this regime got slapped down, so much so that they might consider starting to behave like a civilized nations.

 

[iguanaman]

The extortion is plain as day to see. Every time NK can't feed it's own people, which is most of time as their leadership has decided to spend what little their economy produces on military hardware and weapons development, they kick up a fuss of some sort, launch a few missiles conduct a few nuclear tests, and the next thing they get a deal such as what Billy Boy Clinton gave them, the obligations of which they never have any intention of honoring. Pretty much the same as Iran, which'll be the next one to adopt the same behaviors.



You daft? It's because they have nukes ,they can command (extort) more, as no one wants to have one of their nukes land and go off on another's country, and rightfully so. Should have thwarted their nuclear and weapons programs when we had the chance, but silly naive Democrat presidents keep getting in the way.



You aren't listening. NK hasn't kept a deal they've made with the west yet.



Oh of course. Completely ignoring the bucket of excrement that the NK situation has become which was handed to him by the previous administration. Of of course.



"We are not some paranoid little nation that falls prey to irrational fears even if you think we are."

No, we are not. However, you can't deny that NK's ICBM and nuclear weapon capabilities isn't something that doesn't represent a threat against, not only the US, but other peaceful nations in the region. From my view, it's high time that this regime got slapped down, so much so that they might consider starting to behave like a civilized nations.

No more of a threat than the other countries with nuclear capability and in reality they have far less to hit us with. That makes the MAD deterrent even more effective with them. We can shoot down their couple of missiles and then wipe them out without any damage to us. The N. Korean Govt. has done all this to survive not be destroyed. That is what keeps all of us from using nuclear weapons, maybe you, like trump don't know that? Do I need to explain mutual assured destruction to you too?
Oh and now that the cat is out of the bag the Nk's have no bargaining chips left for "extortion" and if they try and use any of these weapons on another country they will be destroyed. That is always how it has been and how it will stay for the foreseeable future. The next move is for the N. Korean people themselves and that may be quite a while. And now back to the Russia investigation.....

 

[Moderate Right]

China will never abandon NK. They need them

And where did I say they would abandon them? However, they have agreed to seriously sanction NK to get them to denuclearize. That is just as much in their interest to avoid severe destabilization of the area if NK does not disarm.

 

[Moderate Right]

Nope- not me. But keep on trying. You have yet to answer my earlier reply - posted above.
Where have I defended the NK leader?
Care to prove that? Or is it just your usual, cannot post a coherent rebuttal so you go to insults and then posting that I support the NK leader, well that is an outright lie.
Prove your allegations, or cease replying to me.

Sorry if I got you mixed up with someone else.

 

[vegas giants]

And where did I say they would abandon them? However, they have agreed to seriously sanction NK to get them to denuclearize. That is just as much in their interest to avoid severe destabilization of the area if NK does not disarm.

They want them to have nuclear weapons. Where do you think they got the tech from? They offer a buffer against a US ally on their border.

 

[Moderate Right]

So the monetary value today of a life is what again?

I'm still waiting for you to tell me. Apparently you think it is zero.

 

[Moderate Right]

No more of a threat than the other countries with nuclear capability and in reality they have far less to hit us with. That makes the MAD deterrent even more effective with them. We can shoot down their couple of missiles and then wipe them out without any damage to us. The N. Korean Govt. has done all this to survive not be destroyed. That is what keeps all of us from using nuclear weapons, maybe you, like trump don't know that? Do I need to explain mutual assured destruction to you too?
Oh and now that the cat is out of the bag the Nk's have no bargaining chips left for "extortion" and if they try and use any of these weapons on another country they will be destroyed. That is always how it has been and how it will stay for the foreseeable future. The next move is for the N. Korean people themselves and that may be quite a while. And now back to the Russia investigation.....

But you are willing to let them get even more nukes and more missiles where we will be unable to take them all out. Some will get through. You have no plan whatsoever to stop them from increasing their stockpile.

 

[Moderate Right]

They want them to have nuclear weapons. Where do you think they got the tech from? They offer a buffer against a US ally on their border.

Both China and Russia and many other countries have stated they are for the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

 

[vegas giants]

Both China and Russia and many other countries have stated they are for the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

Talk is cheap. China could end this tomorrow. They need a nuclear NK

 

[Moderate Right]

Talk is cheap. China could end this tomorrow. They need a nuclear NK

Glad you are such an expert. China has no interest in the US attacking NK and starting a possible third world (possibly nuclear) war. They will do everything they can to avoid that possibility, even if it means strong sanctions on NK. They want NK to denuclearize and have the region return to stability. That is what is in their interest.

 

[vegas giants]

Glad you are such an expert. China has no interest in the US attacking NK and starting a possible third world (possibly nuclear) war. They will do everything they can to avoid that possibility, even if it means strong sanctions on NK. They want NK to denuclearize and have the region return to stability. That is what is in their interest.

They will never ask NK to get rid of nuclear weapons. Never.


And you're welcome

 

[eohrnberger]

No more of a threat than the other countries with nuclear capability and in reality they have far less to hit us with. That makes the MAD deterrent even more effective with them.

So why aren't the NK leaders paying attention? Why are they continuing to push their luck, see how far they can get?

The answer is really simple: They've not figured out that their old tactics have to change with the advent of a new administration. They believe, falsely, that the present administration will behave much like the previous administrations, and cave, give in, succumb to their threats, their escalation of tensions in the region.

We can shoot down their couple of missiles and then wipe them out without any damage to us. The N. Korean Govt. has done all this to survive not be destroyed.

You aren't making any sense here. Why are the NK leaders tempting fate, if they have "done all this to survive not be destroyed." ? Your proposal of a position here is, at present, nonsensical, without further elaboration. Please do so.

That is what keeps all of us from using nuclear weapons, maybe you, like trump don't know that? Do I need to explain mutual assured destruction to you too?

Hardly. It is well known that should NK push their luck too far, that a military confrontation ensues, that they'd lose that confrontation, without a doubt. Doesn't the questin become why they don't realize that? (If staying in power is their main aim?)

Oh and now that the cat is out of the bag the Nk's have no bargaining chips left for "extortion" and if they try and use any of these weapons on another country they will be destroyed.

If so, then why 50 years of US foreign policy has catered to their demands? What does this catoring to their demands say about the last 50 years of US leadership?

That is always how it has been and how it will stay for the foreseeable future. The next move is for the N. Korean people themselves and that may be quite a while. And now back to the Russia investigation.....

The only Russia investigation is the one where Hillary's the main target (have you forgotten the Uranium One deal? Pay to play? Bill's 1/2 $M speech?). So far, nary any evidence from the Trump side of the ledger, but you go and believe whatever it is that you want to believe. Seems you are pretty insistent on that regardless.

 

[iguanaman]

So why aren't the NK leaders paying attention? Why are they continuing to push their luck, see how far they can get?

The answer is really simple: They've not figured out that their old tactics have to change with the advent of a new administration. They believe, falsely, that the present administration will behave much like the previous administrations, and cave, give in, succumb to their threats, their escalation of tensions in the region.



You aren't making any sense here. Why are the NK leaders tempting fate, if they have "done all this to survive not be destroyed." ? Your proposal of a position here is, at present, nonsensical, without further elaboration. Please do so.



Hardly. It is well known that should NK push their luck too far, that a military confrontation ensues, that they'd lose that confrontation, without a doubt. Doesn't the questin become why they don't realize that? (If staying in power is their main aim?)



If so, then why 50 years of US foreign policy has catered to their demands? What does this catoring to their demands say about the last 50 years of US leadership?



The only Russia investigation is the one where Hillary's the main target (have you forgotten the Uranium One deal? Pay to play? Bill's 1/2 $M speech?). So far, nary any evidence from the Trump side of the ledger, but you go and believe whatever it is that you want to believe. Seems you are pretty insistent on that regardless.

As far as the last 50 years. Yes we got played but it wasn't because there were better options. We only could hope they would fulfill their agreement and they did stop their plutonium production and we delayed their first bomb because of it. Now that they have one made of enriched uranium they have no more bargaining chips for aid and they are depending on their weapons to keep us out as they always have. Experts all say they are the most paranoid nation on Earth perhaps because they know their behavior to their own people is criminal. But they don't want to be king of the world either and they won't be sending their missiles to Guam or anywhere that would give us an excuse to attack them. China has vowed to protect them if they are attacked without provocation so what do they have to lose by making bellicose statements that will never be acted upon? Trump does it too so why don't you ask him why he does it?

 

[Moderate Right]

They will never ask NK to get rid of nuclear weapons. Never.


And you're welcome

They have already asked. You're welcome.