What does Kim Jong-in want?

[haymarket]

Dollars per life are far cheaper now than they will be later. Have you ever heard of something called inflation?

So what would be that per life value today?

 

[MaggieD]

Right now, North Korea has 2 things that are stressing their population, as 2 quick Google searches would reveal.

North Korea suffering its worst drought since 2001, UN report says ...
www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/asia/north-korea-drought/index.html
Jul 21, 2017 - (CNN)North Korea is heading for its worst drought since 2001, the United Nations has warned, raising the possibility of increased food shortages in the rogue state. "More rains are urgently needed to avoid significant decreases in the main 2017 cereal production season," a report ...

North Korea drought: Children at risk in 'worst crisis since 2001' - BBC ...
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40669026
Jul 20, 2017 - North Korea is facing severe food shortages after being hit by its worst drought since 2001, a report from the United Nations says.

U.N. Agency Reports Worst Drought in 16 Years in North Korea - The ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/.../north-korea-drought-food-shortages-grain.html
Jul 21, 2017 - SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea is suffering its worst drought in 16 years, a United Nations agency reported on Friday, raising fears of ...

North Korea: Worst Drought Since 2001 Hits Food Supplies | Time.com
time.com/4867895/north-korea-dought-food-shortages/
Jul 20, 2017 - The worst North Korean drought since 2001 has severely damaged staple crop production and could lead to serious food shortages.

North Korea said to be 'on brink of famine', UN claims | Metro News
metro.co.uk › World › North Korea
Jul 25, 2017 - North Korea is said to be on the brink of a catastrophic famine after suffering the worst drought in 16 years. Poor rainfall and ruined crops mean the isolated country could soon require emergency food aid from overseas, according to the UN. ... ‘More rains are urgently needed to ...

North Korea Faces Famine as Kim Jong Un Builds Nuclear Missiles to ...
www.newsweek.com/north-korea-starving-nuclear-missiles-641188
Jul 24, 2017 - North Korea is facing an unprecedented drought that could lead to even greater food shortages.

North Korea hunger: Two in five undernourished, says UN - BBC News
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39349726
Mar 22, 2017 - More than 70% of the country's population relies on food aid, the United Nations says. ... of about 25 million, has faced significant food shortages for years. ... However, two-thirds of North Koreans still depend on food being ...

U.N. Agency Reports Worst Drought in 16 Years in North Korea - The ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/.../north-korea-drought-food-shortages-grain.html
Jul 21, 2017 - The severe dry spell has raised fears of worsening food shortages in the North, where malnutrition has been a problem for years.
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So I'd say that he's looking to extort hard currency and / or food from the west that has historically worked using the same actions that have worked before.

Makes me wonder if he'd have just asked, and / or taken a different approach, wouldn't the NGOs have come in and done the same?

Thank you for your excellent post.

 

[Moderate Right]

While China does not like him they still support him because he provides a buffer between A US ally and China

China is finally doing something because they are actually afraid of Trump and don't want the area destabilized because it is not in their best interests. No other president has made China so afraid and that has forced them to be stronger against NK then any other president has gotten out of them.

 

[Moderate Right]

So what would be that per life value today?

You are the one making a big deal out of it. It's your question to answer, not mine. All I know is that 5 million is a smaller number than 20 million. People, not dollars.

 

[haymarket]

You are the one making a big deal out of it. It's your question to answer, not mine. All I know is that 5 million is a smaller number than 20 million. People, not dollars.

This was post 113

Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
Going to war would be cheaper than paying this guy blackmail forever and forever.

that was your statement that going to war is cheaper than paying.

So I simply replied with

So how much does a life go for these days?

You were the one who introduced the concept of lives versus payment of money. All I am trying to get you do is to quantify your amounts so we can determine if your statement has any validity or not.

 

[vegas giants]

China is finally doing something because they are actually afraid of Trump and don't want the area destabilized because it is not in their best interests. No other president has made China so afraid and that has forced them to be stronger against NK then any other president has gotten out of them.

They talk but they do not do much against NK. They do not have sanctions against them and trade with them freely

 

[Moderate Right]

This was post 113



that was your statement that going to war is cheaper than paying.

So I simply replied with



You were the one who introduced the concept of lives versus payment of money. All I am trying to get you do is to quantify your amounts so we can determine if your statement has any validity or not.

You are the one who brought up the value of lives, I didn't. Why can't you state what you think the value of a life is? The value of one life is one. Therefore, 5 million lives now are cheaper than 20 million lives later. Simple math.

 

[Moderate Right]

They talk but they do not do much against NK. They do not have sanctions against them and trade with them freely

For the first time, these new sanctions take a huge bite out of NK.

 

[haymarket]

You are the one who brought up the value of lives, I didn't. Why can't you state what you think the value of a life is? The value of one life is one. Therefore, 5 million lives now are cheaper than 20 million lives later. Simple math.

You mean that when you figure the cost of a war you fail to calculate the cost in human lives? Is that what you do?

 

[Moderate Right]

You mean that when you figure the cost of a war you fail to calculate the cost in human lives? Is that what you do?

Where did I fail to calculate? Please reread my post you quoted. It's right there.

 

[vegas giants]

For the first time, these new sanctions take a huge bite out of NK.

A Chinese government official said last month that China-North Korea trade was worth $2.6 billion in the first half of 2017, up about 10% over the same period last year.

 

[Moderate Right]

A Chinese government official said last month that China-North Korea trade was worth $2.6 billion in the first half of 2017, up about 10% over the same period last year.

Ummmmmmmmmmm. The new sanctions just took place about a week ago. They probably even had time to be implemented yet. Please keep up to date on current events if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[polgara]

Right now, North Korea has 2 things that are stressing their population, as 2 quick Google searches would reveal.

North Korea suffering its worst drought since 2001, UN report says ...
www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/asia/north-korea-drought/index.html
Jul 21, 2017 - (CNN)North Korea is heading for its worst drought since 2001, the United Nations has warned, raising the possibility of increased food shortages in the rogue state. "More rains are urgently needed to avoid significant decreases in the main 2017 cereal production season," a report ...

North Korea drought: Children at risk in 'worst crisis since 2001' - BBC ...
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40669026
Jul 20, 2017 - North Korea is facing severe food shortages after being hit by its worst drought since 2001, a report from the United Nations says.

U.N. Agency Reports Worst Drought in 16 Years in North Korea - The ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/.../north-korea-drought-food-shortages-grain.html
Jul 21, 2017 - SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea is suffering its worst drought in 16 years, a United Nations agency reported on Friday, raising fears of ...

North Korea: Worst Drought Since 2001 Hits Food Supplies | Time.com
time.com/4867895/north-korea-dought-food-shortages/
Jul 20, 2017 - The worst North Korean drought since 2001 has severely damaged staple crop production and could lead to serious food shortages.

North Korea said to be 'on brink of famine', UN claims | Metro News
metro.co.uk › World › North Korea
Jul 25, 2017 - North Korea is said to be on the brink of a catastrophic famine after suffering the worst drought in 16 years. Poor rainfall and ruined crops mean the isolated country could soon require emergency food aid from overseas, according to the UN. ... ‘More rains are urgently needed to ...

North Korea Faces Famine as Kim Jong Un Builds Nuclear Missiles to ...
www.newsweek.com/north-korea-starving-nuclear-missiles-641188
Jul 24, 2017 - North Korea is facing an unprecedented drought that could lead to even greater food shortages.

North Korea hunger: Two in five undernourished, says UN - BBC News
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39349726
Mar 22, 2017 - More than 70% of the country's population relies on food aid, the United Nations says. ... of about 25 million, has faced significant food shortages for years. ... However, two-thirds of North Koreans still depend on food being ...

U.N. Agency Reports Worst Drought in 16 Years in North Korea - The ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/.../north-korea-drought-food-shortages-grain.html
Jul 21, 2017 - The severe dry spell has raised fears of worsening food shortages in the North, where malnutrition has been a problem for years.
​

So I'd say that he's looking to extort hard currency and / or food from the west that has historically worked using the same actions that have worked before.

Makes me wonder if he'd have just asked, and / or taken a different approach, wouldn't the NGOs have come in and done the same?

Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

I can somewhat understand Kim's saber-rattling. If he would have to admit that because famine is threatening, he needs outside help, it puts him in a position of looking like he can't handle his country's problems without outside help, so he's being forced to ask for assistance. With the ego he has, and the persona he has presented to his people, that ain't gonna easily happen. The sad thing is that he's not much concerned about any group getting fed except the military, because he needs them more than the "little people" in order to stay in power. How do you deal with a dictator like that, when everyone, including the UN, knows what problems a long term lack of rainfall can cause?

 

[JANFU]

No one wants to attack NK, except over the nuke thing. If Little Kim had never gotten nukes no one would have wanted to attack him at all. It is NK who attacked SK.

I tried to explain earlier why NK went ahead with nuclear development. Received a snide reply.

 

[Moderate Right]

I tried to explain earlier why NK went ahead with nuclear development. Received a snide reply.

Funny how if the right defends Trump on anything we are called names and yet here you are defending Little Kim.

 

[eohrnberger]

Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

I can somewhat understand Kim's saber-rattling. If he would have to admit that because famine is threatening, he needs outside help, it puts him in a position of looking like he can't handle his country's problems without outside help, so he's being forced to ask for assistance. With the ego he has, and the persona he has presented to his people, that ain't gonna easily happen. The sad thing is that he's not much concerned about any group getting fed except the military, because he needs them more than the "little people" in order to stay in power. How do you deal with a dictator like that, when everyone, including the UN, knows what problems a long term lack of rainfall can cause?

Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:

[h=3]Starving North Korean soldiers are living on just two potatoes a day ...[/h]https://www.thesun.co.uk/.../north-korea-soldiers-starving-kim-jong-un-nuclear-weapon...
May 16, 2017 - Starving North Korean soldiers are living on just two potatoes a day .... Yet the state of the North Korean army remains well-hidden, with ...
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I don't think that military is even much better off than the rest of the population, but I think you are right about his ego and all, and his absolute hold on power, and exerting the will to keep it, regardless of the consequences to his people. All rather ruthless, as one would expect.

 

[JANFU]

Funny how if the right defends Trump on anything we are called names and yet here you are defending Little Kim.

Have I called you names?

 

[iguanaman]

Right now, North Korea has 2 things that are stressing their population, as 2 quick Google searches would reveal.

North Korea suffering its worst drought since 2001, UN report says ...
www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/asia/north-korea-drought/index.html
Jul 21, 2017 - (CNN)North Korea is heading for its worst drought since 2001, the United Nations has warned, raising the possibility of increased food shortages in the rogue state. "More rains are urgently needed to avoid significant decreases in the main 2017 cereal production season," a report ...

North Korea drought: Children at risk in 'worst crisis since 2001' - BBC ...
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40669026
Jul 20, 2017 - North Korea is facing severe food shortages after being hit by its worst drought since 2001, a report from the United Nations says.

U.N. Agency Reports Worst Drought in 16 Years in North Korea - The ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/.../north-korea-drought-food-shortages-grain.html
Jul 21, 2017 - SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea is suffering its worst drought in 16 years, a United Nations agency reported on Friday, raising fears of ...

North Korea: Worst Drought Since 2001 Hits Food Supplies | Time.com
time.com/4867895/north-korea-dought-food-shortages/
Jul 20, 2017 - The worst North Korean drought since 2001 has severely damaged staple crop production and could lead to serious food shortages.

North Korea said to be 'on brink of famine', UN claims | Metro News
metro.co.uk › World › North Korea
Jul 25, 2017 - North Korea is said to be on the brink of a catastrophic famine after suffering the worst drought in 16 years. Poor rainfall and ruined crops mean the isolated country could soon require emergency food aid from overseas, according to the UN. ... ‘More rains are urgently needed to ...

North Korea Faces Famine as Kim Jong Un Builds Nuclear Missiles to ...
www.newsweek.com/north-korea-starving-nuclear-missiles-641188
Jul 24, 2017 - North Korea is facing an unprecedented drought that could lead to even greater food shortages.

North Korea hunger: Two in five undernourished, says UN - BBC News
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39349726
Mar 22, 2017 - More than 70% of the country's population relies on food aid, the United Nations says. ... of about 25 million, has faced significant food shortages for years. ... However, two-thirds of North Koreans still depend on food being ...

U.N. Agency Reports Worst Drought in 16 Years in North Korea - The ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/.../north-korea-drought-food-shortages-grain.html
Jul 21, 2017 - The severe dry spell has raised fears of worsening food shortages in the North, where malnutrition has been a problem for years.
​

So I'd say that he's looking to extort hard currency and / or food from the west that has historically worked using the same actions that have worked before.

Makes me wonder if he'd have just asked, and / or taken a different approach, wouldn't the NGOs have come in and done the same?

Most of N. Korea's food comes from China. The agreements that supplied N. Korea with food and fuel in the past were based on the ending of his plutonium production. Are you saying Kim thinks he can use the same ploy on the west again? You do know that this latest exchange of threats was initiated by Trump and not N. Korea. That is only thing new here, Trump's bellicose but empty threats.

 

[vegas giants]

Ummmmmmmmmmm. The new sanctions just took place about a week ago. They probably even had time to be implemented yet. Please keep up to date on current events if you want to be taken seriously.

You are correct. But who is North Korea's biggest trading partner even after the sanctions? Remember....you want to be taken seriously. LOL

 

[eohrnberger]

Most of N. Korea's food comes from China. The agreements that supplied N. Korea with food and fuel in the past were based on the ending of his plutonium production. Are you saying Kim thinks he can use the same ploy on the west again? You do know that this latest exchange of threats was initiated by Trump and not N. Korea. That is only thing new here, Trump's bellicose but empty threats.

Seems you believe that Trump launched ICBMs from North Korea. :roll: :no:

Oh. Wait. He didn't. Fact of the matter is that Kim Jung Un has taken those aggressive and threatening actions. :yes:

Why not go off and get some facts first, rather than fact free posts? :yes:

And yes, it does appear that Kim Jung Un believes that he can shake down the and west, and the US in particular, using the same old tactics that have historically worked before, as they did in previous Democratic presidential administrations.

 

[iguanaman]

Seems you believe that Trump launched ICBMs from North Korea. :roll: :no:

Oh. Wait. He didn't. Fact of the matter is that Kim Jung Un has taken those aggressive and threatening actions. :yes:

Why not go off and get some facts first, rather than fact free posts? :yes:

Is this the first missile test from N. Korea? Is his developing missiles a surprise to us? Don't we test missiles too? I fail to see the purpose of making empty threats of war, for any reason. We are better than that and it brings us down to their level.

 

[haymarket]

Where did I fail to calculate? Please reread my post you quoted. It's right there.

Here is what you said?

The value of one life is one.

The life is worth one what exactly _______________? And do NOT tell me one life because that is a dog chasing its own tail. One what? One dollar?

 

[eohrnberger]

Is this the first missile test from N. Korea? Is his developing missiles a surprise to us? Don't we test missiles too? I fail to see the purpose of making empty threats of war, for any reason. We are better than that and it brings us down to their level.

The new facts here are that the latest missile tests from NK have demonstrated the ability to reach continental US.

This, with the also new information that NK can, and may have already, miniaturized their nuclear warhead, and then along with their historical track record of their seemingly irrational behavior along with their irrational claim that the US will invade them any day now, significantly raises the threat level to any sane and rational person.

I really don't think that South Korea, Japan, and other US allies in the region, have your same blase' position / opinion on this threat level.

50 years of policies of appeasement and payoffs have gotten us to this very position, with legitimate nuclear threat to the continental US from an irrational national leader. Your position is to continue the same failed policies?

 

[Moderate Right]

Have I called you names?

Wasn't it you who called Trump the Moron-in-Chief?

 

[Moderate Right]

You are correct. But who is North Korea's biggest trading partner even after the sanctions? Remember....you want to be taken seriously. LOL

If China enacts these sanctions, which they agreed to, NK will be taking a huge hit. And China has every reason to enact the sanctions because they know that Crazy Trump has his finger on the button, something China does not want.