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What Do You Think Went Through The Minds Of Those 800 Generals Today?...With A Drunk Rapist And Racist Fox News Host Like Pete Hegseth Lecturing Them?

cpwill said:
It is not at all an arbitrary metric - it is the standard they are responsible for imposing on others as a requirement for maintaining their position in the service.

Maybe things are different in the National Guard, but in Active Duty forces, we expected commanders and officers - especially senior ones - to be Leaders.
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Are PT standards more relevant to an infantry soldier performing his job, or dental tech performing theirs?

Yes, it's arbitrary within the context of differing roles.

You and I both know that active duty is not different than NG in the context of the slack provided to senior leaders.
 
Queen Margo said:
I guess being physically fit isn't important to you for those in the military.
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For a general or admiral, it’s not really what matters. Unless you care more about appearance than competence like Hegseth does.
cpwill said:
Are you asking what "cpwill would do, given free reign", or are you asking "what will be done"?

Because the question you asked originally:



Seemed to be focused on what standards the GO/FO's are going to be expected to meet, v some kind of cpwill-is-king-for-a-day thing.
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If we’re going to make arbitrarily different standards for age and that’s okay, why are arbitrarily different standards for sex not okay?
 
Questerr said:
For a general or admiral, it’s not really what matters. Unless you care more about appearance than competence like Hegseth does.
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Hey, nothing wrong with shaping up a portly general or admiral. It will benefit them in the long run.
 
Queen Margo said:
I guess being physically fit isn't important to you for those in the military.
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I guess there's nothing but empty space between the extremes for you.
"I like dogs."
"Oh, so you're saying you hate cats!"
 
Cosmik Debris said:
I don't think the standards are the problem.

If there is a problem (which I doubt) it's that the military is worn out from being endlessly at war for two decades.
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Eh. With the exception of a few Special Forces units, the vast majority of the military today has never been to war.



Cosmik Debris said:
This was merely another rah rah speech, albeit on a grand scale.
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So it seems. :-/

Cosmik Debris said:
The real creepy scary part was what DJT had to say.
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I will get to that - but it's long, and i'll have to find a block of time I'm willing to listen to him in :p
 
hooligan said:
Are PT standards more relevant to an infantry soldier performing his job, or dental tech performing theirs?

Yes, it's arbitrary within the context of differing roles.

You and I both know that active duty is not different than NG in the context of the slack provided to senior leaders.
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I have never served in an NG unit or done significant time around one, and cannot really say. I have served around several Active Duty GO/FO's at this point, as well as O6's and the like.

And I've seen pudgy officers and what it does to the respect they get, the morale and discipline failures that accompany that - especially from Combat Units.

If you want to be a GO/FO, requiring you to maintain physical standards is part of the bare minimum of what it is supposed to mean to lead in the military at that level. If you cannot accomplish even that, then we should probably let you go.
 
Why do soldiers need to be fit? Most of the fighting is done with drones and shit anyway. These guys ain't Klingons carrying bat'leths. Israel doesn't engage in hand-to-hand combat, because they'd get routed if they did. Just ask Hezbollah. They just carpet bomb civilians and combatants alike or put bombs in pagers. I get why wouldn't want a woke trans person to Press the Button (because they have humanity), but why can't fat, ass-scratching shlubs wearing MAGA hats do it?

This macho-militarism is just another tenet of fascism. It's about feelings and propaganda.
 
I bet something like this ran through many of those generals' minds.

"There is a certain kind of Army officer who, after the excitement of company command, finds his career stalled, and who perhaps leaves the service as a major in the National Guard filled with bitterness and resentment. He may then dream of one day being in a position to make all the superior officers who failed to appreciate his leadership qualities, his insight, his sheer fitness stand to attention and hear him lay down the law about what it is to be an officer, and threaten to fire those who do not meet his standards. In this respect, and this respect only, on that stage Pete Hegseth was living the dream."

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Questerr said:
If we’re going to make arbitrarily different standards for age and that’s okay, why are arbitrarily different standards for sex not okay?
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As I understand it, merging the PFT requirements for gender was for Combat Branches only - though I may have missed it being more broadly applied.

The reason for that is simple enough - combat is an incredibly physically grueling enterprise, and the requirements to pick up heavy weights, move quickly for a long ways, and then have energy, upper body strength, and endurance to fight at the end of it are kind of absolute. Either you can, or you can't, and gender-split PFT/CFT standards were not well designed to capture that.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Why do soldiers need to be fit? Most of the fighting is done with drones and shit anyway. These guys ain't Klingons carrying bat'leths. Israel doesn't engage in hand-to-hand combat, because they'd get routed if they did. Just ask Hezbollah. They just carpet bomb civilians and combatants alike or put bombs in pagers. I get why wouldn't want a woke trans person to Press the Button (because they have humanity), but why can't fat, ass-scratching shlubs wearing MAGA hats do it?

This macho-militarism is just another tenet of fascism. It's about feelings and propaganda.
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Maga is forever fighting the battles of the past.
 
RIP U.S. Democracy said:
I can't even imagine.....just shameful. I'm embarrassed to be an American.

www.cbsnews.com

Trump, Hegseth rally troops at rare meeting, rail against "woke" standards

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth touted the new name, the Department of War, saying "the era of the Department of Defense is over."
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When Trump became President, volunteer enlistment exploded.
These generals are, no doubt, thanking God Biden and his dress wearing-lunatics are no longer around.
 
cpwill said:
As I understand it, merging the PFT requirements for gender was for Combat Branches only - though I may have missed it being more broadly applied.

The reason for that is simple enough - combat is an incredibly physically grueling enterprise, and the requirements to pick up heavy weights, move quickly for a long ways, and then have energy, upper body strength, and endurance to fight at the end of it are kind of absolute. Either you can, or you can't, and gender-split PFT/CFT standards were not well designed to capture that.
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Yet combat arms isn’t eliminating age differences in the standards. A 27 year old infantry platoon leader has to go on the same patrols as an 28 year old infantry private, carrying the same gear, yet has a different APFT standard.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
When Trump became President, volunteer enlistment exploded.
These generals are, no doubt, thanking God Biden and his dress wearing-lunatics are no longer around.
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Why do you people hate trans people so much?
 
cpwill said:
As I understand it, merging the PFT requirements for gender was for Combat Branches only - though I may have missed it being more broadly applied.

The reason for that is simple enough - combat is an incredibly physically grueling enterprise, and the requirements to pick up heavy weights, move quickly for a long ways, and then have energy, upper body strength, and endurance to fight at the end of it are kind of absolute. Either you can, or you can't, and gender-split PFT/CFT standards were not well designed to capture that.
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Meanwhile, look who has the Red Army tied down. Get into the 21st century my friend.

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The silence was confirmation that Trump and his ball licker misjudged military command. You cannot change military culture with a promise of neutering it. They really thought the military would do anything Trump wants if they take away the rules of engagement. But it was a room of trained Constitutionalists. Those medals that Trump has no respect for represents the type of people who took an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign or domestic.

Pete and Donald shit on the military in a grand fashion. And they thought they were wooing them.
 
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