What do you think about Trump's comments about Mexican immigrants?

[AmericanSpartan]

Alienating the voter group you need most when your core vote is dying of old age? Trumped!

They are illegals they can not vote, build a fence, deport them and reduce immigration and this threat goes away.

 

[clownboy]

Funny that most of the people that say the Mexicans are drawing down wages are the same ones that oppose a living wage.

Is anyone saying that? Or are they saying ILLEGALS draw down wages. And even further, no one is opposing a living wage. What we oppose is the government setting a mandatory living wage.

 

[Manc Skipper]

They are illegals they can not vote, build a fence, deport them and reduce immigration and this threat goes away.

So you have no more idea than he what he's done.

 

[Libertie76]

So Americans working in sweat shops is your solution? Why not allow child labor too?

Hat wouldn't happen because laborers are able to have sovereignty to move to different jobs. The employer does not have a monopoly on who just work for the employer. If an employer is treating employees worse then the second employer the second employer will come in and raise prices to try to put the first employer out of business...

Sweat shops won't happen without state force and inflated currency

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Motives and methods matter. Always have, always will.

And if the end result is the one you want?

 

[blaxshep]

When you create minimum wage laws you create a surplus of labor, allowing illegal aliens to have a higher competitive advantage in the labor market by being able to price cut labor competition. Why allow more state regulation to a problem that is a direct result of state regulation

Only because we allow it through lax penalties for hiring illegals. Start throwing Employers in prison for circumventing minimum wage laws by hiring illeagls and your argument goes away.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

I'm arguing David Ricardo not milton Friedman.... Hahaha

How can you have a free market while you limit the labor force through state power?

You can. We have contracts do we not? How are they enforced again? Good will? Or the police...

 

[AmericanSpartan]

So you have no more idea than he what he's done.

Those ideas do and will work..Then again what do you care about our nation? You have your own invasion to deal with.

 

[Libertie76]

The reason why Libertarian are viewed as nuts..

Then stop calling yourself one because you are not one at all

 

[Henrin]

The reason why Libertarian are viewed as nuts..

How is a strict immigration policy libertarian? What is wrong with me hiring illegals?

 

[Libertie76]

You can. We have contracts do we not? How are they enforced again? Good will? Or the police...

What contracts are you referring to?

 

[blaxshep]

Hat wouldn't happen because laborers are able to have sovereignty to move to different jobs. The employer does not have a monopoly on who just work for the employer. If an employer is treating employees worse then the second employer the second employer will come in and raise prices to try to put the first employer out of business...

Sweat shops won't happen without state force and inflated currency

A utopian Capitalist, how quaint.

 

[Libertie76]

How is a strict immigration policy libertarian? What is wrong with me hiring illegals?

He's a nationalist... Nationalists have been invading the libertarian political platform

 

[Henrin]

You can. We have contracts do we not? How are they enforced again? Good will? Or the police...

There is really nothing about the law telling me I can't hire someone because of their citizenship that resembles the free market.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Then stop calling yourself one because you are not one at all

Yes I am, I am not an anarchist. I value the nation state, culture, traditional and understand if Liberty is to survive they must also survive.

 

[blaxshep]

How is a strict immigration policy libertarian? What is wrong with me hiring illegals?

Thank you for identifying yourself as the source of the problem. What's wrong with me having slaves?

 

[Libertie76]

A utopian Capitalist, how quaint.

There's nothing utopian about what I'm saying at all because I'm talking about a free market. This is the actual market when it is functioning in equilibrium, this does not mean it will always function in equilibrium because people will always act.

 

[blaxshep]

There is really nothing about the law telling me I can't hire someone because of their citizenship that resembles the free market.

Or owning slaves for that matter.

 

[clownboy]

And if the end result is the one you want?

Trump stepping forward on the issue pretty much guarantees that won't be the case. Not that I've thought in the last ten years there was any hope of seeing the result I want.

 

[zendjinn]

No, everyone doesn't understand that, because it isn't true, not supported by any statistics I can find.

 

[Libertie76]

Thank you for identifying yourself as the source of the problem. What's wrong with me having slaves?

Because you are excluding the ability of a person to act freely by force, as opposed to hiring a person who promotes a more competitive wage

 

[blaxshep]

There's nothing utopian about what I'm saying at all because I'm talking about a free market. This is the actual market when it is functioning in equilibrium, this does not mean it will always function in equilibrium because people will always act.

Capitalism is NOT the free market. To believe otherwise is utopian

 

[clownboy]

There is really nothing about the law telling me I can't hire someone because of their citizenship that resembles the free market.

Yes, there is. Same law that disallows you from paying someone off the books.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

How is a strict immigration policy libertarian? What is wrong with me hiring illegals?

We one the right understand the value of culture, tradition and the nation

Immigration from the wrong sources will harm them and if not stopped can and will destroy them. Not every culture is compatible and never every culture values Liberty, most reject it and some openly hate and seek to destroy it.

If to protect Liberty means we have to keep out groups that would harm us, our culture, our values, our prosperity and our Liberty..So be it.

Self Preservation is the first and highest law of nature, without it what value is anything else?

Because you are aiding and abide a trespasser. If you are holding the ladder of a bugler are you not as guilty as said bugler for the robber?

 

[Libertie76]

Yes I am, I am not an anarchist. I value the nation state, culture, traditional and understand if Liberty is to survive they must also survive.

Wow so libertarian literally means a person who believes in individual liberty, and you actually think that a collectivist institution is more capable of promoting individual liberty then the actual people themselves????