What do you base your views on?

[substantialmajestic]

What do you base your views on?

Principles? Values? Logic? Emotion? Personal experience?

Whatever it is, does it change from issue to issue? Do you have a hierarchy of values for instance in which one value goes up to the top regarding one issue and then goes back down towards the bottom regarding a different issue?

I have often heard it claimed that we make decisions and then go back and attempt to justify the decisions. Do we actually change our minds when we see data or do we look for data that fits our minds?

When did you change a view and what caused you to change it?

Thank you.

 

[Colin Norris]

What do you base your views on?

Principles? Values? Logic? Emotion? Personal experience?

Whatever it is, does it change from issue to issue? Do you have a hierarchy of values for instance in which one value goes up to the top regarding one issue and then goes back down towards the bottom regarding a different issue?

I have often heard it claimed that we make decisions and then go back and attempt to justify the decisions. Do we actually change our minds when we see data or do we look for data that fits our minds?

When did you change a view and what caused you to change it?

Thank you.

Republicans on here tend to go to great lengths to justify a position based purely on politics. Supporting thr capitol riots is a good example how it is danced around rather than outrightly condemning it. It was Republican orchestrated, highly embarrassing but still supporting it because of politics.

 

[neil]

In a nutshell, whether or not there's a victim; if there's no victim, then it shouldn't be a crime.

 

[substantialmajestic]

Republicans on here tend to go to great lengths to justify a position based purely on politics. Supporting thr capitol riots is a good example how it is danced around rather than outrightly condemning it. It was Republican orchestrated, highly embarrassing but still supporting it because of politics.

So, you are saying that many people base their opinion on what their team believes, yes?

I find this is very seductive. For instance, if there are 10 issues and you believe strongly about 2 and you don't really care either way about 8, a person will easily join their team on all 10 if it means winning on those 2 issues they care about a lot. In other words, why compromise on 8 if the only way you see to protect the 2 is to hold onto all 10.

I fear the two teams are going to become more and more defined as we each get fractioned off more and more with the internet. I mean, no one sees the same information anymore (and I'm not even talking about Republican vs. Democrat), I'm talking about how we are all so individualized now. Have you seen The Social Dilemma? It's a Netflix movie about this siphoning off into our own little pods of information.

By the way, what do you base your positions on?

 

[substantialmajestic]

In a nutshell, whether or not there's a victim; if there's no victim, then it shouldn't be a crime.

Can you give an example? How do you decide what you believe when an issue is not about whether or not there is a victim? Or do you not care about things that are outside of that line of thought?

 

[LostinThought]

Republicans on here tend to go to great lengths to justify a position based purely on politics. Supporting thr capitol riots is a good example how it is danced around rather than outrightly condemning it. It was Republican orchestrated, highly embarrassing but still supporting it because of politics.

The same could be said about the far-left/democrats and all of the riots fueled by groups like Antifa, and BLM. Yet the only caveat there, would be that they added race as a qualifier as well.

 

[substantialmajestic]

The same could be said about the far-left/democrats and all of the riots fueled by groups like Antifa, and BLM. Yet the only caveat there, would be that they added race as a qualifier as well.

Do you think the attraction to a team drives most people's value systems?

What do you base your beliefs on?

 

[LostinThought]

What do you base your views on?

Principles? Values? Logic? Emotion? Personal experience?

Whatever it is, does it change from issue to issue? Do you have a hierarchy of values for instance in which one value goes up to the top regarding one issue and then goes back down towards the bottom regarding a different issue?

I have often heard it claimed that we make decisions and then go back and attempt to justify the decisions. Do we actually change our minds when we see data or do we look for data that fits our minds?

When did you change a view and what caused you to change it?

Thank you.

Mostly personal experience, principles and logic.
I've been a professional photographer and cameraman for nearly 20 years. Covered everything from wars, political riots and terrorist attacks. I was in Portland for the BLM riots, I was there for Kavanaugh being confirmed and I covered much California's first few weeks of lock-down protest.

I vote for things, instead of against them and I usually let my policy stances do most of that. Though being liberal at a social level, my economic policies tend to be a bit more centrist/libertarian.

 

[neil]

Can you give an example? How do you decide what you believe when an issue is not about whether or not there is a victim? Or do you not care about things that are outside of that line of thought?

Two consenting adults having sex with each other; there is no victim, yet some want to control them and their sexual behavior. It's not a matter of not caring; what's there to care about? It's about it being none of my business. Why should it be any of the government's business that two consenting adults are having sex with each other?

 

[LostinThought]

Do you think the attraction to a team drives most people's value systems?

What do you base your beliefs on?

It's more than just an attraction. Tribal politics has always been a thing, but mostly these groups rely on those who're mostly uninformed to help them stay in power.
If you can also stoke a reaction based off emotion, let's use the 2016 election as an example. You had people crawling in the streets, screaming all because Trump was elected. Crying as though they'd witnessed a murder when Hillary refused to come back out to address the audience.
Many of these people tie far too much of their identity to these groups/movements. Not that the right doesn't do that as well, but we can easily see that the left has had an exponential growth in that respect. Especially over the last decade.

 

[substantialmajestic]

Mostly personal experience, principles and logic.
I've been a professional photographer and cameraman for nearly 20 years. Covered everything from wars, political riots and terrorist attacks. I was in Portland for the BLM riots, I was there for Kavanaugh being confirmed and I covered much California's first few weeks of lock-down protest.

I vote for things, instead of against them and I usually let my policy stances do most of that. Though being liberal at a social level, my economic policies tend to be a bit more centrist/libertarian.

Wow! I am glad to meet you. What experiences you have had! Can you tell me about an encounter you had that was especially informative?

I like that you vote FOR things. That is great. I like to stand for something too.

As an aside, do you have any advice for people doing youtube videos? As a professional, is there anything that makes you cringe?

Given you've been at anti-lock-down and BLM, what was SIMILAR about the two gatherings?

Also, do you see anything in common between physical war and cultural war?

 

[MamboDervish]

What do you base your views on?

Principles? Values? Logic? Emotion? Personal experience?

I suppose some combination of principles and logic.

Whatever it is, does it change from issue to issue? Do you have a hierarchy of values for instance in which one value goes up to the top regarding one issue and then goes back down towards the bottom regarding a different issue?

I'm not aware of any radical fluctuations in value.

I have often heard it claimed that we make decisions and then go back and attempt to justify the decisions. Do we actually change our minds when we see data or do we look for data that fits our minds?

When I find myself looking for data, it isn't so much to fit my mind as it is to buttress my argument. I do change my mind, but not very often.

When did you change a view and what caused you to change it?

That would require more thought than my tired mind could muster right now.

Thank you.

 

[substantialmajestic]

Two consenting adults having sex with each other; there is no victim, yet some want to control them and their sexual behavior. It's not a matter of not caring; what's there to care about? It's about it being none of my business. Why should it be any of the government's business that two consenting adults are having sex with each other?

Okay. Thank you so much.

Any other value you hold -- such as in cases where you think the situation is your business or in situations where there is a victim or is a victim on both sides?

 

[substantialmajestic]

It's more than just an attraction. Tribal politics has always been a thing, but mostly these groups rely on those who're mostly uninformed to help them stay in power.
If you can also stoke a reaction based off emotion, let's use the 2016 election as an example. You had people crawling in the streets, screaming all because Trump was elected. Crying as though they'd witnessed a murder when Hillary refused to come back out to address the audience.
Many of these people tie far too much of their identity to these groups/movements. Not that the right doesn't do that as well, but we can easily see that the left has had an exponential growth in that respect. Especially over the last decade.

I think you could tie this to how more and more people do not go out and cultivate their own identities anymore outside of politics. It seems a political team defines us instead of us defining ourselves and then using our own identity to then define the political team. In other words, our identities are externally driven instead of internally driven.

 

[substantialmajestic]

I suppose some combination of principles and logic.

I'm not aware of any radical fluctuations in value.

When I find myself looking for data, it isn't so much to fit my mind as it is to buttress my argument. I do change my mind, but not very often.

That would require more thought than my tired mind could muster right now.

Stoked. Thank you!

 

[LostinThought]

Wow! I am glad to meet you. What experiences you have had! Can you tell me about an encounter you had that was especially informative?

Don't trust everyone, even the authorities. At least not outright. Because they can either be lying through omission or they could not have all of the information necessary to make an informed decision.
I was there at Occupy Wall Street when the Big Spray happened and it was a cop that started it, but people tried to initially play it differently.

Same thing about most political movements. I've been shot at, stabbed, set on fire and gassed to name a few things. So always come prepared when these people are running things, and watch for when Leeches try to hijack the rally for some other purpose.

As an aside, do you have any advice for people doing youtube videos? As a professional, is there anything that makes you cringe?

Yeah, don't lie and always bring receipts.
In this current age, you'll get fact checked into oblivion, or clipped saying something either inappropriate or controversial. If you do get something wrong, make sure to either edit your previous material and let your base know, then possibly address it in a future video.

Given you've been at anti-lock-down and BLM, what was SIMILAR about the two gatherings?

People were upset, but they had different motivators and different responses from outward parties. The lock-down protestors were derided on a near majority by the media and the BLM protest were almost unanimously allowed to continue unabated. Even the same nurse unions who came out against the lock-down protestors, came out to support the BLM protestors/rioters for some reason.
Tribal politics at it's finest.

Also, do you see anything in common between physical war and cultural war?

Partially, as physical war can be influenced by activities in the culture war. Though there is a distinct difference between the two main groups. The left is far more willing to commit to this violence, their war, so to speak. It's just that they usually lack the ability to fight/propagate it, and when they do commit it. It's usually on a more limited scale. The right on the other hand, is mostly resistant to such extreme acts, although peeks in the group do exist. And when they do commit violence, it can be far more expansive/severe than what you'd usually see on the left.

Namely the exchange in loss of life and loss of property, that you can see between the two groups.

 

[LostinThought]

I think you could tie this to how more and more people do not go out and cultivate their own identities anymore outside of politics. It seems a political team defines us instead of us defining ourselves and then using our own identity to then define the political team. In other words, our identities are externally driven instead of internally driven.

That could just be a product of the times. As it sits, we're currently stuck in this mode of operation. Especially with the pandemic still being a thing is most peoples eyes.

 

[substantialmajestic]

Don't trust everyone, even the authorities. At least not outright. Because they can either be lying through omission or they could not have all of the information necessary to make an informed decision.
I was there at Occupy Wall Street when the Big Spray happened and it was a cop that started it, but people tried to initially play it differently.

Same thing about most political movements. I've been shot at, stabbed, set on fire and gassed to name a few things. So always come prepared when these people are running things, and watch for when Leeches try to hijack the rally for some other purpose.

Yeah, don't lie and always bring receipts.
In this current age, you'll get fact checked into oblivion, or clipped saying something either inappropriate or controversial. If you do get something wrong, make sure to either edit your previous material and let your base know, then possibly address it in a future video.

People were upset, but they had different motivators and different responses from outward parties. The lock-down protestors were derided on a near majority by the media and the BLM protest were almost unanimously allowed to continue unabated. Even the same nurse unions who came out against the lock-down protestors, came out to support the BLM protestors/rioters for some reason.
Tribal politics at it's finest.

Partially, as physical war can be influenced by activities in the culture war. Though there is a distinct difference between the two main groups. The left is far more willing to commit to this violence, their war, so to speak. It's just that they usually lack the ability to fight/propagate it, and when they do commit it. It's usually on a more limited scale. The right on the other hand, is mostly resistant to such extreme acts, although peeks in the group do exist. And when they do commit violence, it can be far more expansive/severe than what you'd usually see on the left.

Namely the exchange in loss of life and loss of property, that you can see between the two groups.

You made my night. I really appreciate this.

 

[LostinThought]

You made my night. I really appreciate this.

You're welcome.

 

[neil]

Okay. Thank you so much.

Any other value you hold -- such as in cases where you think the situation is your business or in situations where there is a victim or is a victim on both sides?

Well, I never said that it's none of my business or shouldn't be the government's business for situations where there is a victim. It can be my business, such as if I myself am the victim. It is the government's business if the victims were - say, murdered, since they cannot lodge a complaint themselves about being victimized.

If there are victims on both sides, then it's like 2 separate cases & in either case, since there's a victim for each one, that makes them both the government's business.

 

[substantialmajestic]

Well, I never said that it's none of my business or shouldn't be the government's business for situations where there is a victim. It can be my business, such as if I myself am the victim. It is the government's business if the victims were - say, murdered, since they cannot lodge a complaint themselves about being victimized.

If there are victims on both sides, then it's like 2 separate cases & in either case, since there's a victim for each one, that makes them both the government's business.

Okay. I'm just trying to find out, when you have to get involved, how you make decisions then. Right now, I understand that you mostly want to live and let live so to speak. So what about when you have to get involved in the fray?

 

[neil]

Okay. I'm just trying to find out, when you have to get involved, how you make decisions then. Right now, I understand that you mostly want to live and let live so to speak. So what about when you have to get involved in the fray?

Since you're asking about how to make decisions in something you have to be involved in, it depends on what the options are and what information's available to help determine what decision to make. If all the information's available, then it's a simple matter of logic. If some information is missing and needed, then you need to take action to obtain that missing information & you don't make a decision until you have all the information you need.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

What do you base your views on?

Principles? Values? Logic? Emotion? Personal experience?

Logic and emotion both play into it for all issues and some are affected by my religion. My education, equality, health care, and economy views are also partially based on personal experience. as a physically, mentally, and socially disabled woman in poverty.

Whatever it is, does it change from issue to issue? Do you have a hierarchy of values for instance in which one value goes up to the top regarding one issue and then goes back down towards the bottom regarding a different issue?

If you think about it, health care is somehow tied to almost every other issues. both as a cause and effect. That issue also is the only one that affects all of us directly because literally everyone needs it - even the healthiest Americans.

Make no mistake; I do care about the whole world. But why should I care more about what happens overseas than the problems right here in America, the only country I ever lived in? That would be like saying the unborn are more important than their moms.

 

[Monica33]

But why should I care more about what happens overseas than the problems right here in America, the only country I ever lived in? That is like saying the fetus is more important than its mom.

By no stretch of even a fevered imagination does your attempted analogy make any sense .

Suffice to say that it is an often heard American view ( other brands also available ) which tells the rest of the world how out of touch some of you really are .
Just to give a hint --- the term ' country ' is now mainly just used as a easy method for location reference -- but within a shared planet community with common and shared problems .

By all means concentrate your own efforts on a local basis but losing sight of the bigger picture is very dangerous .
Look at the mess the US is in right now . Wider perspectives and listening to wiser voices would have probably saved you from so much present chaos .

 

[dncc]

What do you base your views on?

Principles? Values? Logic? Emotion? Personal experience?

Whatever it is, does it change from issue to issue? Do you have a hierarchy of values for instance in which one value goes up to the top regarding one issue and then goes back down towards the bottom regarding a different issue?

I have often heard it claimed that we make decisions and then go back and attempt to justify the decisions. Do we actually change our minds when we see data or do we look for data that fits our minds?

When did you change a view and what caused you to change it?

Thank you.

Mostly data...

But some of all of the above play into it.

I can give you an example. I'm of the opinion we shouldn't be in the Middle East. I was against the wars by Bush Sr, Bush Jr. Obama, etc.... To me, there is no "win" to be had over there. The data tells us that we--the winners of the world wars--drew lines in the sand (literally) and shoved people who have nothing much in common, except clothing, together and its been a powder keg ever since. It also tells us that there is no negotiating a war based on religion. Compromise is not likely to take place anyway. Add to that the inherent instability that comes with a precious resource and human nature being what it is and you get what Thomas Friedman called the "super empowered" colliding with the "super powers". Pretty much the definition of Bin Laden.

All that being said, I'm a pretty liberal guy but I can recognize the "why" when it came to sending troops over there in the 90's and Afghanistan in 2001. Vital interests were endangered.

So yeah, I like to think I only consider problems logically but more goes into it than just that.