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What do we replace religion with?[W:675]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

devildavid said:
But here is the problem. Believers in god cite faith, not evidence.
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Completely incorrect. Believers in god(s) cite both faith AND evidence. What they DON'T cite is proof... If they do cite proof, then they are arguing fallaciously...

devildavid said:
They make claims from personal feelings, and want to equate this with evidence.
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Personal feelings ARE a form of evidence...

devildavid said:
Any evidence which cannot be independently verified cannot be evidence to another person.
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Why not?

devildavid said:
The very nature of what they believe in prevents evidence from ever being presented.
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Evidence is being presented; you are simply denying it.

devildavid said:
How do you present evidence of something which is said to be beyond reality?
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It's not "beyond reality"... it is part of reality, as "believers" perceive reality anyway...

devildavid said:
How do you ever demonstrate there is anything non-physical, which by its very nature cannot be evidenced?
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It CAN and HAS been evidenced... It CAN'T be proven, however, nor can it be disproven.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

devildavid said:
Name one example of "evidence against god".
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Prayers directed towards god which are not getting answered...

The existence of MANY different religions...

The existence of MANY different gods...

The existence of MANY different holy texts...
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

devildavid said:
You don't know what logic is or how it is used.
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Inversion Fallacy... YOU are the one who doesn't understand those things. I have shown my understanding of them...
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

devildavid said:
Don't insult atheism this way. It doesn't replace religion, it dismisses it.
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Wrong. Atheism doesn't replace nor dismiss religion. It IS religion...

devildavid said:
Then you can get on to living in reality.
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Define 'reality' for me... no one seems to be able to do this...
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Rising Sun said:
You're obviously going to disagree, demean, attack or just bitch about anything I say so explain to me why you're worth the trouble of posting a reply in hopes of intellectual discussion?
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That's the typical response from that direction... You will also notice many Argument of the Stone and Inversion fallacies come from that direction...
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

soylentgreen said:
But you behave as a theist and simply deny it and ask for a repeat of it.
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Rising Sun said:
ROFL. Thanks for your opinion, but you're wrong as usual. You have no ****ing clue and are just projecting.
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Good catch. He was also continuing his bigotry towards Theists... He continues to make numerous logic errors.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

zyzygy said:
The vast majority of believers are hypocrites.
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Rising sun is being typical. Creates a stupid definition of atheism just so that he can feel clever at pointing out how stupid atheism is. When told he is wrong he then becomes condescending and demands an explanation. Now, given one all he can do is make lame remarks and try his best to avoid dealing with that explanation.
 
Tim the plumber said:
When people take religious thinking into real life things go wrong.
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I disagree here. Religious thinking is perfectly fine in and of itself; it's the religious fundamentalism that is fallacious thinking and what the problem is... Also, define 'reality'... no one seems to be able to define this term... For many people, religion IS reality... it IS part of "real life"... For other people, religion isn't reality.

Tim the plumber said:
If they don't even think they are thinking religiously then it makes it even worse.
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Absolutely correct. We agree 100% here... This is what religious fundamentalism is. It is attempting to prove a particular religion, which is a logical fallacy known as the Circular Argument Fallacy.

Tim the plumber said:
The global warming death cult is a religion for most of its' followers. They have never questioned any of it. Asking them to do so causes them to be deep offended. Just heresy! The AGW cult wants to reduce human population as they see humanity as interently evil. Current death toll 20 million per year or so.
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Once again, correct. That's exactly what AGW is; a religion. Members of the Church of AGW are typically fundamentalists of that religion, and falsely pass that religion off as science, when it is really just a religion based on a Void Argument.

Tim the plumber said:
I don't want to replace Christianity with bad science.
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Neither do I.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

soylentgreen said:
Rising sun is being typical. Creates a stupid definition of atheism just so that he can feel clever at pointing out how stupid atheism is. When told he is wrong he then becomes condescending and demands an explanation. Now, given one all he can do is make lame remarks and try his best to avoid dealing with that explanation.
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There is only one definition of the word atheism and the clue is in the word.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

zyzygy said:
There is only one definition of the word atheism and the clue is in the word.
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Elementary, my dear Watson:
16th century French athéisme, from athée (“atheist”), a loan from Ancient Greek ἄθεος (átheos, “godless”), from ἀ- (a-, “without”) + θεός (theós, “deity, god”). First English attestation dates to 1587 (OED).
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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atheism
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

devildavid said:
Name one example of "evidence against god".
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Matthew 7:7-8
Matthew 18:19
Matthew 21:21-22
Mark 11:24
John 14:13-14
John 15:7
John 16:23
1 John 3:22 among others.

Have two or more Christians never thought of getting together in the name of their Messiah, and prayed to their God to abolish cancer for good? To pray that the missing limbs of disabled war veterans are restored? If not, why not? On the other hand, if a believer feels that God has answered their prayers, does that mean they caused God to change its mind?


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Re: What do we replace religion with?

gfm7175 said:
He's using evidence synonymously with proof, a method of which I disagree with, because it muddles up matters...

Evidence is the act of supporting an argument, while proof is an extension of foundational axioms in a closed functional system.

Since he is using 'evidence' synonymously with proof, then he is correct that there is no proof. However, I would use the definitions that I have provided here, and in using those definitions, there definitely IS evidence of god(s), and holy texts are indeed part of that evidence...
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take it up with him
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Logician Man said:
take it up with him
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The definitions he invented would be nearer the mark. There is no evidence for the existence of a god or gods. If there were then it would have been presented a long time ago.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

zyzygy said:
The definitions he invented would be nearer the mark. There is no evidence for the existence of a god or gods. If there were then it would have been presented a long time ago.
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The evidence is all around you and in you. Your agnosticism is purblind.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

zyzygy said:
The definitions he invented would be nearer the mark. There is no evidence for the existence of a god or gods. If there were then it would have been presented a long time ago.
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bit.....but.....but.....the math ???!!!! and....and....and intel design????!!!!......everything thing from nothing ???!!!! and......and...and it's a certain god which amazingly happens to be the the god I believe in because...well...well...well...just because...
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Logician Man said:
bit.....but.....but.....the math ???!!!! and....and....and intel design????!!!!......everything thing from nothing ???!!!! and......and...and it's a certain god which amazingly happens to be the the god I believe in because...well...well...well...just because...
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I will believe the math when they use the math to prove the existence of leprechauns and unicorns.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

zyzygy said:
I will believe the math when they use the math to prove the existence of leprechauns and unicorns.
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That makes too much sense and bursts my bubble....dismissed for no particular reason other than it doesn't fit into my worldview.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Logician Man said:
:lamo
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Indeed. The universe does not prove that a god or gods exist. And of course different religions attribute the "evidence" to different gods.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Logician Man said:
That makes too much sense and bursts my bubble....dismissed for no particular reason other than it doesn't fit into my worldview.
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I knew you were a closet believer!
 
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