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What do we replace religion with?[W:675]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

Angel said:
Sure, in the long run we're all dead, as Keynes reminded us. So why become exercised over religion or discuss anything at all, right?
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Just correcting your fallacious claim about human nature 'very unlikely becoming a thing of the past in the future.". carry on
 
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Logician Man said:
Just correcting your fallacious claim about human nature 'very unlikely becoming a thing of the past in the future.". carry on
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You didn't correct it. You tried to reduce it to absurdity, an absurdity which applies to your post about religion as well. And it's your turn to carry on. The ball's in your court. I took pains to post a considered reply to your disparagement of religion; you have not responded.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Angel said:
You didn't correct it. You tried to reduce it to absurdity. And it's your turn to carry on. The ball's in your court. I took pains to post a considered reply to your disparagement of religion; you have not responded.
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It's not absurd to state the obvious that human nature will cease to exist on this planet when the sun dies out.I made no disparagement regarding religion in that post whatsoever...try again
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Logician Man said:
It's not absurd to state the obvious that human nature will cease to exist on this planet when the sun dies out...try again
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It's absurd to cite the end of the universe in a discussion of the value of human affairs, yes. You made a point about religion, I offered a counterpoint and you cite the end of the universe. I can't say "try again" to you because you haven't tried to reply yet. Do you or don't you care to discuss this?
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Angel said:
It's absurd to cite the end of the universe in a discussion of the value of human affairs, yes. You made a point about religion, I offered a counterpoint and you cite the end of the universe. I can't say "try again" to you because you haven't tried to reply yet. Do you or don't you care to discuss this?
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Incorrect. I made a comment about our solar system, not the universe. You are aware this is a difference in the two? You're struggling and misrepresenting what is being stated in my posts.
 
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Rising Sun said:
What things exist in other societies that are socially acceptable and fairly universal across all cultures? Marriage, having children, working, government, laws. Which things do you think similarly exist and are condoned by most, if not all cultures, but that you think aren't "good or needed"?

There are a few areas where I'm either an expert, well-versed or highly interested. Psychology is one, history is another. While it may be fun to speculate that humans won't have religion in 10 years or even 100 years, that fact remains that humans have been the same for the past 200,000 years, although there is some speculation about "behavioral modernity" taking place about 40,000 years ago and the bicameral mind about 3000+ years ago. The fact remains that while our tech changes, humans as a species has not changed very much. Therefore, if there is a spiritual need that is desired to be fulfilled among the majority of people, then they'll fill it one way or another.
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Do you need religion?
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Logician Man said:
Incorrect. I made a comment about our solar system. not the universe. You are aware this is a difference in the two? You're struggling and misrepresenting what is being stated in my posts.
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Do you or don't you care to discuss this business of religion? If you do, respond to my post. If not, have a good evening.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Angel said:
Sure, in the long run we're all dead, as Keynes reminded us. So why become exercised over religion or discuss anything at all, right?
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Agreed. It is, however, amusing to me that atheists have to reach over 5 billion years into the future to prove their assertion "religion will die!" LOL
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Rising Sun said:
Agreed. It is, however, amusing to me that atheists have to reach over 5 billion years into the future to prove their assertion "religion will die!" LOL
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So you think it will die earlier?
 
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This little fella has no need for religion:

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Re: What do we replace religion with?

TrumpTrain said:
The abandonment of Christianity by so many is part of the reason for the growth of government and so many laws that were not necessary before.
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The founding fathers of this country designed it to be that way.

"During almost fifteen centuries, has the legal establishment of Christianity been
on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence
in the Clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and
persecution...In some instances they have been seen to
erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of Civil authority; in many instances they
have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have
they been seen the guardans of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to
subvert the public liberties, may have found an established clergy convenient
auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure & perpetuate it, needs them
not."
-James Madison
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Re: What do we replace religion with?

Rising Sun said:
"it"? You mean human faith that there is more to existence than being an ambulatory meat computer? No, I do not.
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I suppose that primitive superstitions will always exist.
 
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zyzygy said:
I suppose that primitive superstitions will always exist.
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Normal human beings will always be seeking spiritual fulfillment. Sure, depending upon their culture that might involve primitive superstitions, but that's not all it is.

OTOH, according to the link below, atheists are part of a group measured to be 54% to 72% with forms of mental conditions involving "various indicators of negative emotionality, such as trait anger, psychological entitlement, and fearful / preoccupied attachment styles". Not surprising to me.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-pursuit-peace/201603/the-new-psychology-atheism
In the first of two studies, 171 American adults were asked about their reasons for nonbelief, as well as emotions they felt toward a god or gods that they hypothetically imagined, and various indicators of negative emotionality. Results showed that 54% of those who self-reported that they were atheists or agnostics indicated some relational and emotional reasons for nonbelief. In the second study, 72% of 429 American adults who expressed some level of atheism or agnosticism endorsed similar reasons. In both studies, the extent to which research participants revealed relational and emotional reasons for nonbelief was associated with various indicators of negative emotionality, such as trait anger, psychological entitlement, and fearful / preoccupied attachment styles.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
I did not ask if 7 billion need religion just you.

So you do not need religion, are you special?
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Special to me, yes. To others, mostly not. Obviously you didn't read my posts about spiritual fulfillment. No, one doesn't need religion for that.

Do you need spiritual fulfillment? What did you think about the studies on atheism including mental issues? Here's a link about atheism and spirituality:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3705681/
Spirituality
Is the personal quest for understanding answers to the ultimate questions about life, about meaning, and about relationship with the sacred or transcendent, which may (or may not) lead to or arise from the development of religious rituals and the formation of a community?[3]

Religion usually refers to socially based beliefs and traditions, often associated with ritual and ceremony, whereas spirituality generally refers to a deep-seated individual sense of connection through which each person's life is experienced as contributing to a valued and greater “whole,” together with a sense of belonging and acceptance. Spirituality is expressed through art, poetry and myth, as well as religious practice. Both religion and spirituality typically emphasize the depth of meaning and purpose in life. One does not, of course, have to be religious for life to be deeply meaningful, as atheists will avow. However, although some atheists might not consider themselves spiritual, many do. Spirituality is thus a more inclusive concept than religion.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

FreedomFromAll said:
I did not ask if 7 billion need religion just you.

So you do not need religion, are you special?
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Read post # 567, then read post # 579 and decide for yourself who is angry and intellectually dishonest in this thread.
 
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