Ah. TY for the explanation of what "fake ham" is.
Other:
It has not yet ceased to astound me that vegetarians/vegans yet choose to describe the flavor of certain food "sanctioned" items in terms of the flavors of foods they abjure eating rather than in terms of the flavor of the "sanctioned" food substance itself. Perhaps that's poor expression of what I mean....lemme try again....
Inasmuch as vegans/vegetarians forswear meat and/or animal sourced foods, why do they not develop and remark upon food using a lexicon that describes the actual flavors of food items they are willing to eat? If one doesn't want to eat meat, fine, but then why lionize and/or attempt to emulate the flavor of meat?
[*=1]Why not produce and eat, say, "tofu cuts" rather than sliced meat (cold cuts) and talk about the flavor of tofu?
[*=1]Why not produce "vegan cuts" that taste like some vegetable rather than like a meat?
[*=1]Why not produce and eat, say, "quinoa loaf" and remark upon how it tastes as quinoa rather than on how it tastes relative to meatloaf, or even bother trying to make quinoa taste like meatloaf?
Do you get what meaning?
I just don't see the point of going through so much effort to make or obtain food items that taste like a different food item that one is unwilling to eat. If one doesn't want to eat meat, well, one doesn't. I haven't anything to say about that. But if one doesn't want to eat meat, why not develop a taste for non-meat-tasting-like stuff that one will eat.
I'm willing to eat, say, tofu and TVP and other vegan food items, but I think they taste bland -- so bland that any flavoring added to them makes them taste like the flavor added to them and not like themselves; put salt on tofu and it tastes like salt, not like tofu -- that I don't much eat them. So that's why I don't "get" the relativist rhetorical depictions of vegetarian/vegan food eaters when they're discussing, eating or seeking meat alternatives.