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What can we do about gun violence?

TurtleDude said:
How about summarizing what this guy says
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His point boils down to the idea that we should enforce the law preventing domestic violence offenders from having guns. Or, to put it more simply, enforce the existing laws, which is what the NRA has been saying for decades.
 
Hey, Hey, NRA! How many kids did you kill today?
 
Loulit01 said:
Hey, Hey, NRA! How many kids did you kill today?
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far less than say the NAACP, the Democrat party, or many other leftwing groups.

in fact, the chances of an NRA member illegally killing someone is rather low. Stupid question
 
TurtleDude said:
far less than say the NAACP, the Democrat party, or many other leftwing groups.

in fact, the chances of an NRA member illegally killing someone is rather low. Stupid question
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Let's see the numbers.
 
TurtleDude said:
you first-show me how many people have been killed by NRA members. You made the stupid assertion, back it up
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Watch me answer without insulting anyone.

While NRA members may not kill many as individuals, the NRA fights reasonable gun control measures such as background checks, gun show loopholes, in laws such as...

H.R. 2674 The Gun Theft Prevention Act

To require firearms dealers to fulfill minimum security standards, require the ATF to inspect dealers every three years, and provide for more staffing to the ATF.

H.R. 1186 The Keep Americans Safe Act

To limit ammunition magazines to no more than 10 rounds and prohibit their future production for civilian use.

H.R. 8 The Bipartisan Background Checks Act

To require background checks on every gun sale or transfer.

H.R. 3076 The Federal Extreme Risk Protection Order Act

To allow family members, loved ones, or household companions request that certain individuals deemed unsafe to surrender their firearms and prevent those individuals from obtaining a firearm. Also known as the "Red Flag Law."

H.R. 1112 The Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019

To allow the FBI more time to conduct a thorough background check; closes the "Charleston Loophole"

H.R. 869 The Undetectable Firearms Modernization Act

To prohibit the possession of any firearm that is undetectable by airport-level detection devices.

H.R. 1454 The Cool Off Act

To require three-day waiting period before a person may receive a gun after making a purchase.

H.R. 2708 The Disarm Hate Act

To prevent a person convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime from obtaining a firearm.

H.R. 2837 Ethan's Law

To allow for the injury or death of a minor resulting from unsafe storage of a firearm to be made a crime and punishable with prison time.

So it was the NRA as an organization I was referring to, not it's individual members. Although I personally would never support such an irresponsible organization. But go ahead and call me stupid if it makes you feel better. I own a hand gun and a rifle, BTW.
 
Loulit01 said:
Watch me answer without insulting anyone.

While NRA members may not kill many as individuals, the NRA fights reasonable gun control measures such as background checks, gun show loopholes, in laws such as...

H.R. 2674 The Gun Theft Prevention Act

To require firearms dealers to fulfill minimum security standards, require the ATF to inspect dealers every three years, and provide for more staffing to the ATF.

H.R. 1186 The Keep Americans Safe Act

To limit ammunition magazines to no more than 10 rounds and prohibit their future production for civilian use.

H.R. 8 The Bipartisan Background Checks Act

To require background checks on every gun sale or transfer.

H.R. 3076 The Federal Extreme Risk Protection Order Act

To allow family members, loved ones, or household companions request that certain individuals deemed unsafe to surrender their firearms and prevent those individuals from obtaining a firearm. Also known as the "Red Flag Law."

H.R. 1112 The Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019

To allow the FBI more time to conduct a thorough background check; closes the "Charleston Loophole"

H.R. 869 The Undetectable Firearms Modernization Act

To prohibit the possession of any firearm that is undetectable by airport-level detection devices.

H.R. 1454 The Cool Off Act

To require three-day waiting period before a person may receive a gun after making a purchase.

H.R. 2708 The Disarm Hate Act

To prevent a person convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime from obtaining a firearm.

H.R. 2837 Ethan's Law

To allow for the injury or death of a minor resulting from unsafe storage of a firearm to be made a crime and punishable with prison time.

So it was the NRA as an organization I was referring to, not it's individual members. Although I personally would never support such an irresponsible organization. But go ahead and call me stupid if it makes you feel better. I own a hand gun and a rifle, BTW.
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that's not an answer and it assumes this political bullshit that democrats try to pander with, will do anything useful
 
TurtleDude said:
that's not an answer and it assumes this political bullshit that democrats try to pander with, will do anything useful
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You know, Turtledude, you and I have gone round and round before and you'd earned a measure of grudging respect from me, but now I'm wondering why.

Watch the video. Address the domestic violence issue Stewart brings up. Tell me why he's wrong. I'll listen to you with an open mind.
 
Loulit01 said:
You know, Turtledude, you and I have gone round and round before and you'd earned a measure of grudging respect from me, but now I'm wondering why.

Watch the video. Address the domestic violence issue Stewart brings up. Tell me why he's wrong. I'll listen to you with an open mind.
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nope, got better things to do than listen to a guy who has no credibility whatsoever in this area.
 
Loulit01 said:
Watch me answer without insulting anyone.

While NRA members may not kill many as individuals, the NRA fights reasonable gun control measures such as background checks, gun show loopholes, in laws such as...

H.R. 1186 The Keep Americans Safe Act

To limit ammunition magazines to no more than 10 rounds and prohibit their future production for civilian use.
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Why ten? We know that New York has already proposed 7 and Oregon has proposed 5. The only truly effective number would be "one".

Where does the government get the enumerated power to restrict the number of rounds that a magazine owned by a civilian can own? Why do the police need 30 round magazines?
Loulit01 said:
H.R. 8 The Bipartisan Background Checks Act

To require background checks on every gun sale or transfer.
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In the 2010 report "Summary of Select Firearms Violence Prevention Strategies" the DOJ noted that “universal” background checks can’t be effective without a reduction in the illegal sources of guns to criminals and can’t be enforced without comprehensive firearm registration.

In "Source and Use of Firearms Involved in Crimes: Survey of Prison Inmates, 2016", the DOJ reported in Table 5 where criminals get their guns. We see that vast majority of guns in the hands of criminals come from straw purchases, family transfers, theft and the underground market (Illegal sources of firearms that include markets for stolen goods, middlemen for stolen goods, criminals or criminal enterprises, or individuals or groups involved in sales of illegal drug). A total of 0.8% come from gun shows. Purchases from "good guys" in private sales don't even show up.

What does a UBC do to prevent criminals from getting guns?

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California's comprehensive background check and misdemeanor violence prohibition policies and firearm mortality

In 1991, California implemented a law that mandated a background check for all firearm purchases with limited exceptions (comprehensive background che…
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In HR.8, the current "universal" background check bill, the law states:
Give a gun to your brother, no background check needed.
Loan a gun to your brother, no background check needed.
Sell a gun to your bother, it's a crime if there isn't a background check.
Can you point out the "common sense" part?

Under HR.8, the current "universal" background check bill, the law state that as long as someone has a hunting or fishing licenses, and the loaner has no reason to suspect that the loanee is a prohibited person, the loaner can loan any firearm to that loanee without a background check for any length of time.
Can you point out the "common sense" part?

Loulit01 said:
H.R. 3076 The Federal Extreme Risk Protection Order Act

To allow family members, loved ones, or household companions request that certain individuals deemed unsafe to surrender their firearms and prevent those individuals from obtaining a firearm. Also known as the "Red Flag Law."
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Why don't Red Flag laws get any help for the target of a Red Flag law, leaving them alone with common tools of suicide and homicide?

Plus they're unconstitutional.


Loulit01 said:
H.R. 869 The Undetectable Firearms Modernization Act

To prohibit the possession of any firearm that is undetectable by airport-level detection devices.
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Ammo is detectable.
Loulit01 said:
H.R. 1454 The Cool Off Act

To require three-day waiting period before a person may receive a gun after making a purchase.
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Why should someone who already owns a gun be subject to this? Where does the government get this power?

Loulit01 said:
H.R. 2708 The Disarm Hate Act

To prevent a person convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime from obtaining a firearm.
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Are they banned from owning knives, blunt instruments or gasoline?
Loulit01 said:
H.R. 2837 Ethan's Law

To allow for the injury or death of a minor resulting from unsafe storage of a firearm to be made a crime and punishable with prison time.
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It already is. DAs just don't file charges often enough.
Loulit01 said:
So it was the NRA as an organization I was referring to, not it's individual members. Although I personally would never support such an irresponsible organization. But go ahead and call me stupid if it makes you feel better. I own a hand gun and a rifle, BTW.
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Ah, a handgun, the firearm type most commonly used in mass shooting and in homicides of all types. Why are you trustworthy to own such a gun?
 
TurtleDude said:
nope, got better things to do than listen to a guy who has no credibility whatsoever in this area.
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Where is your credibility? What expertise, rank, political office, position in any pro gun/anti gun oeganization do you hold that makes you credible?
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't waste almost 8 minutes doing that
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You won't watch an 8 minute video, yet you post on a thread about said 8 minute video? That is like criticizing someone on how they workout, yet have never worked out in your life.
 
TurtleDude said:
you've been here four years and you don't know?
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If you look at my posting history, I signed up 4 years ago, yet did not post with any regularity until this year.

Again, where is your credibility?
 
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