What can be done about this recent epidemic of blatant mass shoplifting?

[Maidenrules29]

Four suspects arrested after Georgia Lululemon robbery, employees fired after confronting looters

Two employees who were fired for calling police.

thepostmillennial.com

This is getting so bad. Here is yet another incident where people just blatantly walk in and leave with tons of expensive stuff. 2 employees were FIRED for following them out to get their license plate and call the cops. Yes, I know it was "store policy" to not interfere with the thieves in any way, but soon we may not have brick and mortar stores to shop at anymore. Insurance companies may stop including theft when writing business insurance policies. If I was in the insurance business I certainly wouldn't. These policies like prop 47 in California that makes it a slap on the wrist if you steal less than $900 worth of goods, and bleeding heart D.A.'s who won't prosecute this shit just emboldens this type of behavior, and probably creates even more criminals, who of course start out small potatoes like this, and then start commiting more serious crimes when they see that they can get away with it.

 

[JRTurner]

Curb-side pick up.

And it doesn't have anything to do with the police or the courts.

This is corporate policy.

They lose less money letting the shoplifters go than they do trying to catch them.

And insurance doesn't matter--it's a business loss, tax write-off.

 

[DrewPaul]

Everyone knows what could be done and should be done. It will just have to wait until the political will is there.

 

[Maidenrules29]

Curb-side pick up.

So you are ok with no longer being able to go inside of a store and actually shop? Look at and touch things before you buy them? No more malls? No more stores?

 

[post]

Four suspects arrested after Georgia Lululemon robbery, employees fired after confronting looters

Two employees who were fired for calling police.

thepostmillennial.com

This is getting so bad. Here is yet another incident where people just blatantly walk in and leave with tons of expensive stuff. 2 employees were FIRED for following them out to get their license plate and call the cops. Yes, I know it was "store policy" to not interfere with the thieves in any way, but soon we may not have brick and mortar stores to shop at anymore. Insurance companies may stop including theft when writing business insurance policies. If I was in the insurance business I certainly wouldn't. These policies like prop 47 in California that makes it a slap on the wrist if you steal less than $900 worth of goods, and bleeding heart D.A.'s who won't prosecute this shit just emboldens this type of behavior, and probably creates even more criminals, who of course start out small potatoes like this, and then start commiting more serious crimes when they see that they can get away with it.

You've got your own, seemingly more pressing problems. You live in one of the most RWE states in the U.S. and
you read the BS web spew of a fascist disinfo web troll.

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[Maidenrules29]

Curb-side pick up.

And it doesn't have anything to do with the police or the courts.

This is corporate policy.

They lose less money letting the shoplifters go than they do trying to catch them.

And insurance doesn't matter--it's a business loss, tax write-off.

You cannot write off 100% of the loss though. There is a breaking point where the losses from theft are so much that the store cannot stay in business. We are seeing this happen. Stores are closing. I don't really care so much about the policies of the stores anyway. I'm concerned with ending the shoplifting as much as possible.

 

[JRTurner]

So you are ok with no longer being able to go inside of a store and actually shop? Look at and touch things before you buy them? No more malls? No more stores?

Ach, I hit post by accident and edited. There was more to my post:

"And it doesn't have anything to do with the police or the courts.

This is corporate policy.

They lose less money letting the shoplifters go than they do trying to catch them.

And insurance doesn't matter--it's a business loss, tax write-off."

But to answer your question:

There are a lot of things people lose out on because a few bad apples spoil it for everyone.

Costco-style membership would help, background checks, etc.

 

[JRTurner]

You cannot write off 100% of the loss though. There is a breaking point where the losses from theft are so much that the store cannot stay in business. We are seeing this happen. Stores are closing. I don't really care so much about the policies of the stores anyway. I'm concerned with ending the shoplifting as much as possible.

The only thing 'security' is hired to do at stores is to visually take inventory of what they witness was carried out. Document as much as possible, including the cost of each item, and then give the reports to the manager at the end of their shift/day, depending.

That list is so they can submit to insurance/taxes how much they lost to theft.

That's it.

Until the stores change their policies, every shoplifter in our country is going to keep stealing. They might as well have put up a sign saying free stuff.

Because of the tax breaks they get for the stolen merchandise, the tax payer loses that money in the end.

If you want to change the environment, you have to change the land it was created on. Get rid of the tax breaks for stolen goods, get rid of any insurance (as you suggested) that might cover that. Then you'll see a huge change in shoplifting.

Right now, stopping thieves is not cost effective.

 

[Maidenrules29]

You live in one of the most RWE states in the U.S.

Sorry but I don't know what the RWE acronym means. Let me guess....."Right-wing.........something?"
Whatever it means, I'm doing just fine here, thanks. No problems at all like you assumed I have.

you read the BS web spew of a fascist disinfo web troll.

The video doesnt plainly show the shoplifting? If the story had come from CNN or MSNBC and contained the exact same video clip you would believe it though, right?

 

[Helix]

Another scary crime thread with mugshots.

 

[Maidenrules29]

The only thing 'security' is hired to do at stores is to visually take inventory of what they witness was carried out. Document as much as possible, including the cost of each item, and then give the reports to the manager at the end of their shift/day, depending.

That list is so they can submit to insurance/taxes how much they lost to theft.

That's it.

Until the stores change their policies, every shoplifter in our country is going to keep stealing. They might as well have put up a sign saying free stuff.

Because of the tax breaks they get for the stolen merchandise, the tax payer loses that money in the end.

If you want to change the environment, you have to change the land it was created on. Get rid of the tax breaks for stolen goods, get rid of any insurance (as you suggested) that might cover that. Then you'll see a huge change in shoplifting.

Right now, stopping thieves is not cost effective.

"Security" used to stop shoplifters not too long ago, and definitely did it consistently "back in the day". I worked at a grocery store back in the 80's and no one got away with that shit then.

 

[Maidenrules29]

Another scary crime thread with mugshots.

I wouldn't call it scary. Any thoughts?

 

[Helix]

I wouldn't call it scary. Any thoughts?

I've seen a lot of scary crime threads with mugshots over the years.

 

[Lursa]

You cannot write off 100% of the loss though. There is a breaking point where the losses from theft are so much that the store cannot stay in business. We are seeing this happen. Stores are closing. I don't really care so much about the policies of the stores anyway. I'm concerned with ending the shoplifting as much as possible.

I agree. What do you suggest? Thieves deserve legal consequences...but the prisons are full.

Can insurance companies split the cost for more onsite security people/measures with the commercial businesses? In theory they'd have to pay out less.

How do we set up use of force to stop thieves that does not also endanger bystanders? It's still about lives over property.

 

[Lursa]

Ach, I hit post by accident and edited. There was more to my post:

"And it doesn't have anything to do with the police or the courts.

This is corporate policy.

They lose less money letting the shoplifters go than they do trying to catch them.

And insurance doesn't matter--it's a business loss, tax write-off."

But to answer your question:

There are a lot of things people lose out on because a few bad apples spoil it for everyone.

Costco-style membership would help, background checks, etc.

How do background checks stop shoplifting? Do you mean that people woud need to apply for memberships to shop in stores in person? Costo memberships arent 'verified,'...so are you suggesting people would need memberships...requiring BGCs...to shop in person?

Well, I dont agree with that, certainly not without more information, but I suppose the 'membership cards' could be issued for all participating businesses or for a community, as a group.

 

[post]

I agree. What do you suggest? Thieves deserve legal consequences...but the prisons are full.
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Shoplifting, however organized is not a top 25 problem in the country.

RWE is one of the top three national problems, a crisis threatening the continuance of democratic republic governance.
As you posted, the prisons are full. Do states governed by RWE continue to pack them in response to property crimes?
These states are emulating each other's costly, disasterous, policies of non-deterence.

The intent of the RWE sourced, OP article is to distract from where concern and attention should be prioritized. Idaho, for example, is digging itself into a hole it is too small. population and resource wise, to extract itself from in the future. The voting majority is less educated than average and G.O.P. takes full advantage of the inability of voters to understand what the actual challenges are.

An example of what is wrong with the G.O.P., why it is a threat to national security.

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May 28, 2023

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[JRTurner]

"Security" used to stop shoplifters not too long ago, and definitely did it consistently "back in the day". I worked at a grocery store back in the 80's and no one got away with that shit then.

I know, right??

After a host of lawsuits from shoplifters and security being injured, they gave up and retreated to just using the thefts as tax write-offs. Their customers still pay for the items--just by not getting the revenue. So it's a financial wash for them, where as the lawsuits were costly

 

[Port & Starboard]

After a host of lawsuits from shoplifters and security being injured, they gave up and retreated to just using the thefts as tax write-offs. Their customers still pay for the items--just by not getting the revenue. So it's a financial wash for them, where as the lawsuits were costly

If it was a wash....................they wouldn't be leaving.

 

[JRTurner]

If it was a wash....................they wouldn't be leaving.

Which stores are leaving because of shoplifters?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Which stores are leaving because of shoplifters?

Do your own research to back up your claims.

Shoplifting is a loss regardless of how well you are insured. It wastes regional government & police resources as well.

 

[JRTurner]

Do your own research to back up your claims.

Shoplifting is a loss regardless of how well you are insured. It wastes regional government & police resources as well.

That was your claim. I know a lot of stores with this 'no touch' policy have seen an uptick in shoplifters, but I hadn't heard that shoplifting was the sole reason for a closing--at least one that wasn't walked back.

 

[holbritter]

I know, right??

After a host of lawsuits from shoplifters and security being injured, they gave up and retreated to just using the thefts as tax write-offs. Their customers still pay for the items--just by not getting the revenue. So it's a financial wash for them, where as the lawsuits were costly

So wrong on so many levels.

Then why are they closing?

Rampant theft caused all these stores to close their doors

Major retailers in the US have been forced to shut down stores due to millions of dollars in losses as rampant theft plagues big box stores across the country.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Retail Theft – Its Impact Is Far Reaching And Very Costly

In response, retailers continue to look for ways to provide safe, secure shopping and working conditions according to the National Retail Federation Here are some facts.

www.forbes.com

America's biggest companies say retail crime is an epidemic, but just how big of a problem is it?

Retailers and trade groups say organized retail crime has been on the rise, but the problem is far murkier than they've made it seem.

www.cnbc.com

Fed up with the rise in thefts and shoplifting, small-biz owners across U.S. are taking action

Some small-business owners tell CNBC a rise in theft is devastating to their business, especially now, with many still recovering from a global pandemic.

www.cnbc.com

 

[holbritter]

That was your claim. I know a lot of stores with this 'no touch' policy have seen an uptick in shoplifters, but I hadn't heard that shoplifting was the sole reason for a closing--at least one that wasn't walked back.

Wait...there's more

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/11/business/san-francisco-whole-foods-closure/index.html

Westfield mall blamed ‘rampant criminal activity’ for Nordstrom closing in S.F. Here’s what the data says

Westfield mall blamed the closure of Nordstrom on neighborhood ‘criminal activity.’ What does the data show?

www.sfchronicle.com

Retailers Are Closing Stores Due to Shoplifting – What’s Going On?

Shoplifting has always been a problem. My father managed a five-and-dime store when I was a small child. I remember seeing him get into fistfights with shoplifters. Once, he picked a guy up, turned…

globaltoynews.com

 

[JRTurner]

So wrong on so many levels.

Then why are they closing?

Rampant theft caused all these stores to close their doors

Major retailers in the US have been forced to shut down stores due to millions of dollars in losses as rampant theft plagues big box stores across the country.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Retail Theft – Its Impact Is Far Reaching And Very Costly

In response, retailers continue to look for ways to provide safe, secure shopping and working conditions according to the National Retail Federation Here are some facts.

www.forbes.com

America's biggest companies say retail crime is an epidemic, but just how big of a problem is it?

Retailers and trade groups say organized retail crime has been on the rise, but the problem is far murkier than they've made it seem.

www.cnbc.com

Fed up with the rise in thefts and shoplifting, small-biz owners across U.S. are taking action

Some small-business owners tell CNBC a rise in theft is devastating to their business, especially now, with many still recovering from a global pandemic.

www.cnbc.com

Nope, not closing only because of shoplifters. That's just the headline for 'click bait' readers.

 

[Irredentist]

So wrong on so many levels.

Then why are they closing?

Rampant theft caused all these stores to close their doors

Major retailers in the US have been forced to shut down stores due to millions of dollars in losses as rampant theft plagues big box stores across the country.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Retail Theft – Its Impact Is Far Reaching And Very Costly

In response, retailers continue to look for ways to provide safe, secure shopping and working conditions according to the National Retail Federation Here are some facts.

www.forbes.com

America's biggest companies say retail crime is an epidemic, but just how big of a problem is it?

Retailers and trade groups say organized retail crime has been on the rise, but the problem is far murkier than they've made it seem.

www.cnbc.com

Fed up with the rise in thefts and shoplifting, small-biz owners across U.S. are taking action

Some small-business owners tell CNBC a rise in theft is devastating to their business, especially now, with many still recovering from a global pandemic.

www.cnbc.com

Shoplifting alone probably isn't enough to put a store that's doing well out of business. It's the struggling ones that are most at risk of closure anyway.