Oftencold
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I see you're point, but I'd sue a Doctor or lawyer that I hired and who I found to be on illegal drugs.Haha, good response but I think you see my point
Mental fortitude and an education on the substance being used can allow you to manipulate the experience in a favorable manner, should something go wrong. Example: A friend of mine had a bad trip on Datura. Through controlled hyperventilation and the application of a moist cloth, he was able to calm himself and transgress beyond the negativity of the trip.
Btw Shamanism is far from just about taking drugs. In fact many mystics consider drugs to be an unstable and quite limited way to explore one's self and the divine. When they are used they are usually used as aid at best.I find that my knowledge about abstract concepts is lacking. The use of Psilocybin stems from my desire to experience the impossible. You should do some research into Shamanism.
All i can say is if all drugs where legal like you could by them from a local store people would do them who wouldnt otherwise do them.It seems obvous to me.
You're assuming quite a bit.All i can say is if all drugs where legal like you could by them from a local store people would do them who wouldnt otherwise do them.It seems obvous to me.
Yes sir. You should read DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Dr. Rick Strassman.
The point is still vague, what legal thing are you talking about that has similar effects?
Lets see
-impairment of judgment
-money sink
-short term memory problems
-addictive
How do any of these effects benefit society. It has been my experience that people who smoke marijuana are usually lazy, lack a job (collect unemployment), lack motivation, and lack respect for law.
You may enjoy it personally, but people who care about you pick up the slack and are forced to watch you drag yourself down.
If a person is bold, curious, or just plain stupid enough to do meth or crack what makes you think they are smart enough to not do it because it's illegal?
Btw Shamanism is far from just about taking drugs. In fact many mystics consider drugs to be an unstable and quite limited way to explore one's self and the divine. When they are used they are usually used as aid at best.
I've listened to Terrence McQuena's (sic?) lecture on the subject. All I can say is it sounds interesting.
Nice avatar btw. Alex Grey is awesome.
I see you're point, but I'd sue a Doctor or lawyer that I hired and who I found to be on illegal drugs.
If I found that a Doctor had seriously injured a loved one while under such influence, I'd quite possibly kill him.
Ah! I thought we were grouping all illegal substances under the umbrella of "illegal drugs".
I have chosen not to do drugs that have major debilitating effects on the body. I am a fan of natural substances(Marijuana, Psilocybin, DMT, Salvia, etc.) that have little to no side effects.
I do not believe I said anything to the contrary. Shamans used most psychedelics for religious ceremonies and healing practices. They also used them to chart the Spirit World.
I think that you responded to the wrong post.
All those drugs have side effects, but not as severe as for example heroin.
Shamans are only a small part of mysticism. I was just reminding you that dumping a few shrooms is a very limited and unstable way to really explore oneself and "the spirit world". As a pagan/mystic myself I believe one can do all that better without drugs.
Hence, the reason I said "little to no side effects." Also, side effects are not always negative.
Earlier you stated:
Alcohol has the same effects/problems.
Many (myself included) would say on points;
-impairment of judgment and
-addictive
that alcohol is to a greater degree than weed.
So we natural make the assumption that since you would not approve of other drugs for this reason you would also support an alcohol ban.
My list of effects was by no means comprehensive, look around for some more details.
Here's a good place to start.
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