Virgil Jones
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This supposed switch apparently happened according to democrats with the passage of the Civil Rights Act. The "switch" story suggests that suddenly white southerners became Republicans. There is some truth to that if you consider the 1930s to 1970s. What I find interesting, is why did all the Northern Republicans suddenly "switch" to the racist party, known as democrats?
Well, Virgil, like you alluded to, back in the day, the southern democrat party was full on racists. But when the dem's started pushing civil rights and all, all the racist democrats flocked to the Republican Party, where they remain at to this day.
If it were 1960, I'd say you're right. But it's 2019. The racist element finds the GOP a better place to hang their hood.
Well, Virgil, like you alluded to, back in the day, the southern democrat party was full on racists. But when the dem's started pushing civil rights and all, all the racist democrats flocked to the Republican Party, where they remain at to this day.
If it were 1960, I'd say you're right. But it's 2019. The racist element finds the GOP a better place to hang their hood.
the "big switch" never happened. The conditions and events that set the terms for politics and political leanings either no longer exist, or have largely faded away. There was never a big switch, the democrats and republicans just evolved on their own in a somewhat independent manner, and as the economy and political eras changed under the leadership of different presidents, the parties have, and continue, to define themselves in more and more divergent ways.
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Never heard of Nixon's Southern Strategy, after the Civil Rights Act was passed. I was alive to see it, as it happened, so your lies don't affect me one bit.
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Never heard of Nixon's Southern Strategy, after the Civil Rights Act was passed. I was alive to see it, as it happened, so your lies don't affect me one bit.
Most blacks switched to the democrat party over New Deal elements brought in by Roosevelt administration. It had more to do with opportunities to get free stuff, highlighted further when LBJ offered "something to those n-words to get them voting for the democrats for 100 years"
Most blacks switched to the democrat party over New Deal elements brought in by Roosevelt administration. It had more to do with opportunities to get free stuff, highlighted further when LBJ offered "something to those n-words to get them voting for the democrats for 100 years"
Why would racist democrats suddenly switch targets and covet black votes?
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Why would racist democrats suddenly switch targets and covet black votes?
Umm maybe they thought it was the right thing to do? Johnson knew he would lose the democratic south if he got civil rights passed. It was one of the best decisions the democratic party ever did, reject racism. Those folks didn't move but they sure switched parties to the R side.
This supposed switch apparently happened according to democrats with the passage of the Civil Rights Act. The "switch" story suggests that suddenly white southerners became Republicans. There is some truth to that if you consider the 1930s to 1970s. What I find interesting, is why did all the Northern Republicans suddenly "switch" to the racist party, known as democrats?
"As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party."
It wasn't "sudden"...like all other reboots, except maybe one recent one, it took a bit of time.
Yes it is true that the Democrats of the Civil War era were the segregationists and the birthplace of the Klan, while the Republicans were what one might consider the "liberal" party, by virtue of the fact that more Republicans were abolitionist.
During the 1920's Klan membership skyrocketed, and members were absolutely Democrats. Beginning around the time of World War Two postwar era, with the eventual desegregation of the armed forces and the postwar boom of returning veterans to all points in the nation, a slow transformation began, and at the outset it was not as binary as one might think, because Republicans were essential to the passage of the very first "civil rights" laws, which of course did not sit well with The Solid South. (Democrats)
The first marches and demonstrations generated enormous backlash from Solid South Democrats, but the rest of the nation was shocked to see the events unfold on national TV. Eventually the Southern Democrats slowly became isolated from the rest of their peers in the East, North and West, but as you well know, racism was not strictly confined to the Deep South.
Still, sufficient numbers of Democrats began to become more socially liberal.
The Goldwater contingent on the Republican side, while initially supporting desegregation on a moral level, objected to federal interference, preferring to keep it as a matter for the individual states. But as the violence heated up, federal law enforcement felt compelled to step in and, in a continuance of early Kennedy efforts, the Johnson administration ramped up federal efforts to stem the tide, and with the support of civil rights leaders like King, Democrats outside the South became rather solidified in their support.
Gradually, Southern Dems turned to independent efforts like George Wallace's American Independent Party. (1968) The result, together with sustained infighting from far Left progressives over Humphrey, was that Wallace's AIM siphoned off votes that might have gone to the Dems and between that and the North/East/West far Left sitting out the Dem vote over Chicago's events, Nixon won.
From Wiki:
Hammering home the impression that Democratic candidates were depicted as permissive liberals further cemented animosity in the South. Lyndon Johnson remarked upon signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that "We have lost the South for a generation."
He was only off by five years maybe but in the end, the result has lasted much longer than a single generation.
If you'd like an example of a rapid party reboot, the conversion of the GOP from a moderate center-Right party to the Tea Party is a good example. It took one billion dollars and one election cycle (2010) to dislodge a great many "RINO traitors" from the GOP ranks. Not really a transformation from Right to Left all, it was a reinforcement of hardcore Right and far Right ideologies that pushed out a lot of moderates.
But even that reboot wasn't quite as "sudden" as one might think, either. It had its roots in the 1980's and 1990's.
Stalwart conservatives like Goldwater chafed at the influence of the religious Moral Majority.
So that's what I have for you right now, hope it helps.
I am not a hater of conservatism, I hold some conservative views of my own, even as a liberal.
Most blacks switched to the democrat party over New Deal elements brought in by Roosevelt administration. It had more to do with opportunities to get free stuff, highlighted further when LBJ offered "something to those n-words to get them voting for the democrats for 100 years"
"...providing relief for the unemployed, providing jobs for the unemployed, and motivating the economy to expand ... an expansive monetary policy. Those parts of the New Deal I did support."
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