What about Organized Religion turns you off?

[CaptainCourtesy]

We are back to the prison example again.

I know. I wish people would actually educate themselves on this stuff rather than just spewing stuff that they know nothing about.

 

[dadman]

I'd rather talk Jesus Christ . . . yall can have your organized religious excuses



ALL MY THINGS:
prophecy and end-times . . .
bible preachers and teachers . . .
science and intelligent design . . .
islamic jihad . . .
israel . . .
news and discussion forums

 

[Cephus]

I'd rather talk Jesus Christ . . . yall can have your organized religious excuses]

You'd rather talk about your imaginary friend and spam the forums. Gotcha.

 

[Muffinz!]

I'd rather talk Jesus Christ . . . yall can have your organized religious excuses



ALL MY THINGS:
prophecy and end-times . . .
bible preachers and teachers . . .
science and intelligent design . . .
islamic jihad . . .
israel . . .
news and discussion forums

What do you mean by posting this stuff? And what excuses?

You'd rather talk about your imaginary friend and spam the forums. Gotcha.

Come now. Jesus had a good message, but what it's resulted in is not what was intended.

 

[Cephus]

Come now. Jesus had a good message, but what it's resulted in is not what was intended.

A certain percentage of what Jesus supposedly said was decent, but there were plenty of really idiotic things he said as well. The Sermon on the Mount was particularly idiotic. "Take no care for tomorrow"? Truly asinine.

 

[dadman]

you'll have to explain what was "intended"

 

[Singularity]

you'll have to explain what was "intended"

I wouldn't click that link. The last person that did so suffered an IQ loss of 50 points, and their eyes started bleeding like the fourth week of Lillith Fair.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

A certain percentage of what Jesus supposedly said was decent, but there were plenty of really idiotic things he said as well. The Sermon on the Mount was particularly idiotic. "Take no care for tomorrow"? Truly asinine.

The line you just quoted is the same thing as saying "live in the moment", a common phrase and idea. It's not idiotic or asinine to be honest.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

you'll have to explain what was "intended"

"intention" isn't apparent anywhere in nature, so you'll have to explain why I should believe that "intention" exists

 

[ThePlayDrive]

Celibacy rules make men pedos? That's just bull****. Would you ever victimize a kid, even if you were really hard up? It'd be nice, once in awhile, to blame the pedo rather than vilify the whole Church or it's doctrine.

To be fair, it's possible that celibacy prevents priests who already have pedophilic urges from diverting their desires to sex with an adult. Just a thought, but I could be talking out of my ass.

 

[dadman]

Muffinz! = "Come now. Jesus had a good message, but what it's resulted in is not what was intended."

theplaydrive = "intention" isn't apparent anywhere in nature, so you'll have to explain why I should believe that "intention" exists"

Ill watch you two discuss this apparant contradiction

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[Muffinz!]

Muffinz! = "Come now. Jesus had a good message, but what it's resulted in is not what was intended."

theplaydrive = "intention" isn't apparent anywhere in nature, so you'll have to explain why I should believe that "intention" exists"

Ill watch you two discuss this apparant contradiction

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I don't think it was directed at me.

 

[Manc Skipper]

I object to the prerequired admission of guilt, and the blaming of any fault on the actions of the individual while denying their accomplishments and ascribing them to an invisible unknowable magic alien.

 

[SheWolf]

The way it tends to discourage questioning, discovery, and knowledge. The way it tends to be violent towards "outsiders" of any kind. The way it shames people for all manner of things outside their control (a brilliant tactic for keeping them dependent, not unlike what an abusive spouse does - re-enforce worthlessness and make the victim believe they need you in order to be ok).

Just about everything.

Pretty much this. They act as a gatekeeper on questioning and thinking... sometimes a quest for knowledge was considered a sin and reason to put great scientists and artists on trial and possibly execute them. Organized religion has, in many historical examples, created a human agency that encourages and feeds hysteria and cruel behavior... witch burnings, torture, inquisitions, and mass murder of Jews as a result of the Black Plague are a few examples that come to mind.

In modern history my problem is religious figures are they are still gatekeepers on thinking. I know somebody who was kicked out of church for asking too many questions. Aside from that, they are too involved with the government, and that alliance has allowed politicians to corrupt their beliefs and sway religious leaders. In some ways I have the same issues as with the historical examples, but they are slightly different... It's simply, they want to do the right thing but their policies and meddling in politics is actually harmful to people. One example is the Catholic Church discouraging the use of condoms in HIV raged nations, because they oppose birth control. I also don't like religious groups making birth control and education a political issue at all. I just don't think abstinence is practical.

It's sad young kids have sex and parents don't like the tough, but what's worse is seeing a 15 year girl with a baby.

 

[SheWolf]

Did you not read the first post? This thread is not meant for you. Please don't pollute it anymore. Thank you.

And also there are different forms Christianity with different forms of organization. Baptists don't worship God the same way as Catholics or Orthodox Christians. I'm done.

Organized religion isn't just a matter of the Christian religion either... A lot of people on these boards hate Islam, yet they don't see it as an issue or organized religion and concentration of power, at least that is what is what I am inferring cause they aren't attacking Islam in that fashion. :shrug:

 

[SheWolf]

WOW!

Another Christian-bashing thread!

This is where all of the enlightened, sensitive and really smart people will come and post about how evil Christians are.

Thank God for all of you enlightened, sensitive and really smart people!

Oh, wait!

Is anyone here going to be offended because I thanked God for them?

hey this post is ironic considering my last statement...

Organized religions /= Christian religion

Organized religion includes Christian and Islam worship centers that are structured and expect people to maintain organized behaviors, attitudes, and power structures. I am not sure if Buddhist qualifies or which other groups do, but the Catholic Church is probably the most top-down organized Christian church in the world...

 

[SheWolf]

How, in some cases, I have seen that money comes before good works or the care of the congregation.

Yeah, a lot of televangelists have been found out to be frauds... especially Tammy Fay's ex and that guy who kept bashing gays, then was caught having gay sex. Ted Haggard or whatever...

 

[SheWolf]

If you are going to use the term "pedophilia", you should at least understand it first.

pedophilia (psychosexual disorder) -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

I also noticed you place great emphasis on the ages of 12 to 15, on the assumption that children of that age have already completed puberty, and none are prepubescent. Therefore, we need to brush up on your knowledge of puberty as well.

Home | Puberty101.com – Boys Puberty, Girls Puberty, Teenage Development, Mental Health, STDs, Drug Abuse

Puberty: What to Expect When Your Child Goes Through Puberty -- familydoctor.org

Now perhaps we can avoid any more misconceptions.

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Who derailed the thread this bad?

 

[BDBoop]

t

Who derailed the thread this bad?

One member made a joke, another one provided the graphs, and it was a bloody downhill mess from there. Then Muffinz asked for us to take it elsewhere, so I started a new thread, but the damage was already done.

 

[SheWolf]

"Organized Religion" covers a lot of ground.

Some OR's are hierarchial, authoritative, top-down and have an unquestionable leader. This has obvious problems.

Other "ORs" are simply local gatherings of believers who like to congregate with like-minded people for mutual support... much like any other group with a shared intrest.

Don't lump all of them together.

I like the one's that are local gatherings... They tend to focus on the community more and help people in need. I also think making the world a better place has to start locally and with building a good community. The Catholic Church has nuns, and I have a lot of respect for nuns and good people doing good things, but the church gets a lot of criticism and I tend to think it's deserved. Judging your church is not judging god.

 

[SheWolf]

Excellent. Someone new who doesn't understand the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior.

If a man has sex with another man, he has engaged in homosexual behavior. Doesn't mean he is a homosexual.

That's like arguing there is no such thing as human sexuality. You're only hetrosexual when you engage in hetrosexual intercourse, and so on.

 

[NGNM85]

A certain percentage of what Jesus supposedly said was decent, but there were plenty of really idiotic things he said as well. The Sermon on the Mount was particularly idiotic. "Take no care for tomorrow"? Truly asinine.

This one causes me more concern;

'...But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring them before me, and slay them before me'
(Luke 19:27)

 

[torch1980]

The hypocracy of the preachors, telling us to give them money while they live in mansions not all of them but some

 

[Dogger807]

I know this thread is almost dead but I have to put my two cents in.

I don't like organized religion because I don't like being lied to. I don't like being told that if I think about it I'm committing a thought crime. I don't like the submit to authority or be smitted attitude. I don't like evil portraying itself as good in order to control people.

 

[Spensierato]

There's not much anyone can really say that hasn't already been said better by Voltaire.