What’s Your Philosophy of Life?

[Jacksprat]

Lots of ways. There are lots of reasons that socialization helps with stress and grief. The ultimate reasons may be evolutionary. We are social animals and do better when around other humans when dealing with stressful situations. Our brains have evolved to need that when dealing with stress.

Also, since we understand some of the neurochemistry of depression and grief, we can intervene pharmacologically if the grief begins to develop pathologic dimensions.

Most grief is not pathological.
The problem with evolution biology is it assumes everyone's life is totally governed by necessity. It makes a metaphysic out of survival.

 

[reinaert]

Nothingness

 

[Ambig]

does this work?


Moral relativism is the view that moral judgments are true or false only relative to some particular standpoint (for instance, that of a culture or a historical period) and that no standpoint is uniquely privileged over all others.

OK, and the embrace of MR would be extreme cowardice because a person would hide behind it?

"Look, dude, don't be mad at me for eating your dog. Nothing's wrong with it according to the morality of our ancestors and even to cultures around the world, even now. And as for stealing and killing him before I ate him, look at the chimpanzees. They're always going around stealing from and even killing their neighbors. So we know that some of our ancestors did the same. Heck, God even told the ancient Israelites to murder and rape and pillage."

Am I headed in a relevant direction?

If not, correct me. If so, do you have questions about how I see such arguments?

 

[Ambig]

You do realise that science also covers subjects such as psychology. Which deal with the emotions you think science does not cover.

I've known psychologists who'd become downright cranky at being excluded from the 'scientist' label.

 

[ataraxia]

Most grief is not pathological.
The problem with evolution biology is it assumes everyone's life is totally governed by necessity. It makes a metaphysic out of survival.

OK. But when I ask for what a non-physicalist explanation of this would look like, you just give me other associated phenomena, without an explanation for WHY one measure should help the other. That’s not really explanation.

Why should a friend visiting help with grief, as opposed to, for example, rubbing your belly and tapping your head at the same time?

 

[Ambig]

Alright. I never believed philosophy is objective--or subjective.

I like the way you phrased that. But I am AmbiguousGuy, so....

 

[ataraxia]

And science does not fail to explain why a person grieves. It is more a case of you wanting more than science can give.

I am trying to figure out what that could be. It's clearly not that he thinks science is still inadequate; he thinks that it is fundamentally and conceptually incapable of EVER being able to do so, no matter how advanced and thorough it gets. So it's hard to know what exactly he is looking for here.

 

[Ambig]

Nothingness

Well, that's something.

 

[ataraxia]

The problem with evolution biology is it assumes everyone's life is totally governed by necessity. It makes a metaphysic out of survival.

It's not a metaphysic. It's just a model which seems to explain A LOT of things, and dovetails nicely with a lot of other things we think we know.

 

[Gordy327]

The philosophy of life"
"To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women." ---Conan the Barbarian

 

[Jacksprat]

OK. But when I ask for what a non-physicalist explanation of this would look like, you just give me other associated phenomena, without an explanation for WHY one measure should help the other. That’s not really explanation.

Why should a friend visiting help with grief, as opposed to, for example, rubbing your belly and tapping your head at the same time?

It can work. Because no matter what a physicalist gives as an explanation, we do not live in that world of physicality.

 

[Jacksprat]

It's not a metaphysic. It's just a model which seems to explain A LOT of things, and dovetails nicely with a lot of other things we think we know.

Why survive?

 

[Gordy327]

Why survive?

To reproduce and start the cycle all over again. At least until extinction.

 

[Jacksprat]

To reproduce and start the cycle all over again. At least until extinction.

Ok, but why do it?

 

[Gordy327]

Ok, but why do it?

It's that whole nature thing.

 

[ataraxia]

Why survive?

Because the DNA molecule is a selfish molecule which wants to propogate. So it will create whatever combination of proteins which are needed to create the drive for its hosts to keep propagating it.

The Selfish Gene - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even the evolution of consciousness in animals can ben explained by this tendency of this molecule:

 

[Jacksprat]

It's not a metaphysic. It's just a model which seems to explain A LOT of things, and dovetails nicely with a lot of other things we think we know.

To be clear. I am arguing against classical, deterministic science. Quantum mechanics does not have the same problem of physicalism as the classical model.

 

[Jacksprat]

It's that whole nature thing.

ok

 

[ataraxia]

It can work. Because no matter what a physicalist gives as an explanation, we do not live in that world of physicality.

What are you talking about? I am getting very lost here. What part of it is non-physical?

I just showed why the mom grieves at the loss of an offspring, and why a friend showing up helps. These all have very physicalist explanations to them. Where does the non-physical part of it come from?

 

[Jacksprat]

What are you talking about? I am getting very lost here. What part of it is non-physical?

I just showed why the mom grieves at the loss of an offspring, and why a friend showing up helps. These all have very physicalist explanations to them. Where does the non-physical part of it come from?

No, you only claimed that an explanation can be given. Not that it is correct.

 

[ataraxia]

To be clear. I am arguing against classical, deterministic science. Quantum mechanics does not have the same problem of physicalism as the classical model.

Sure it does- just by different ones than those in the macro-world. It is very rigidly determined by the laws of statistics. Such woo-woo interpretations of quantum mechanics are very frowned upon by physicists who study this stuff.

 

[Jacksprat]

Because the DNA molecule is a selfish molecule which wants to propogate. So it will create whatever combination of proteins which are needed to create the drive for its hosts to keep propagating it.

The Selfish Gene - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even the evolution of consciousness in animals can ben explained by this tendency of this molecule:

Please don't post pictures or videos. I ignore them.

 

[Jacksprat]

Sure it does- just by different ones than those in the macro-world. It is very rigidly determined by the laws of statistics. Such woo-woo interpretations of quantum mechanics are very frowned upon by physicists who study this stuff.

No idea what "woo-woo" means. What position did I state that is "frowned upon by physicists?"

 

[ataraxia]

No, you only claimed that an explanation can be given. Not that it is correct.

You mean "ultimately true"? That doesn't hold for ANY scientific model.

You, on the other hand, have given no explanation whatsoever. It's not even clear what kind of explanation you are looking for here. You seem more interested in just proving the existence of some otherworldly realm. There really seems to be no need for that to explain the phenomena at hand.

 

[ataraxia]

Please don't post pictures or videos. I ignore them.

That's funny. Why? They can be very informative.