What’s Really Happening In Antarctica?

[HogWash]

11:49 AM 07/28/2014

Antarctic sea ice coverage has broken hundreds of records this year alone. On July 25, the South Pole sea ice reached 436,681 square miles above the 1981 to 2010 average — the 127th daily record for the year.

Environmentalists and some climate scientists are now attributing much of Antarctica’s rapidly growing sea ice coverage to a processing error in the satellite data.

The massive growth of Antarctica’s ice sheets has confounded scientists for years now, as global warming was expected to shrink the polar ice caps. But while the Arctic has shrank some, Antarctic sea ice coverage has broken hundreds of records this year alone. On July 25, the South Pole sea ice reached 436,681 square miles above the 1981 to 2010 average — the 127th daily record for the year.

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What's Really Happening In Antarctica? | The Daily Caller

 

[Lord of Planar]

OK, from the several links I searched, they agree the ice is still growing. They just disagree by how much.

 

[Verax]

11:49 AM 07/28/2014

Antarctic sea ice coverage has broken hundreds of records this year alone. On July 25, the South Pole sea ice reached 436,681 square miles above the 1981 to 2010 average — the 127th daily record for the year.

Environmentalists and some climate scientists are now attributing much of Antarctica’s rapidly growing sea ice coverage to a processing error in the satellite data.

The massive growth of Antarctica’s ice sheets has confounded scientists for years now, as global warming was expected to shrink the polar ice caps. But while the Arctic has shrank some, Antarctic sea ice coverage has broken hundreds of records this year alone. On July 25, the South Pole sea ice reached 436,681 square miles above the 1981 to 2010 average — the 127th daily record for the year.

OOPS...

What's Really Happening In Antarctica? | The Daily Caller

This is nothing new, the implication here is preying on ignorance, as usual.

http://psc.apl.washington.edu/zhang/Pubs/Zhang_Antarctic_20-11-2515.pdf
Non-annular atmospheric circulation change induced by stratospheric ozone depletion and its role in the recent increase of Antarctic sea ice extent - Turner - 2009 - Geophysical Research Letters - Wiley Online Library
Simulation of Recent Southern Hemisphere Climate Change

 

[HogWash]

This is nothing new, the implication here is preying on ignorance, as usual.

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Nor has there been anything new since al gore began his publicity stunt. The article was dated yesterday.

 

[code1211]

This is nothing new, the implication here is preying on ignorance, as usual.

http://psc.apl.washington.edu/zhang/Pubs/Zhang_Antarctic_20-11-2515.pdf
Non-annular atmospheric circulation change induced by stratospheric ozone depletion and its role in the recent increase of Antarctic sea ice extent - Turner - 2009 - Geophysical Research Letters - Wiley Online Library
Simulation of Recent Southern Hemisphere Climate Change

You are in good company. Others who are very respected in the world of AGW Science, a compliment akin to be very respected at Comic Con, Predict that the arctic will be ice free sometime between 3013 and 2018. Sadly the arctic has the most ice it has had since same date 2009 according to the NSIDC.

Failed Predicitons of Ice-Free Arctic: If You Like Your Ice-Free Arctic, You Can Keep Your Ice-Free Arctic | Climate Depot
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BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013′
James Hansen : ‘This is the last chance’
6/23/2008
“We see a tipping point occurring right before our eyes,” Hansen told the AP before the luncheon. “The Arctic is the first tipping point and it’s occurring exactly the way we said it would.”
Hansen, echoing work by other scientists, said that in five to 10 years, the Arctic will be free of sea ice in the summer.
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Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph | Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis

 

[Your Star]

Yeah, it grows during the winter, and shrinks during the summer. The issue is there is a net loss of ice each year.

 

[Verax]

You are in good company. Others who are very respected in the world of AGW Science, a compliment akin to be very respected at Comic Con, Predict that the arctic will be ice free sometime between 3013 and 2018. Sadly the arctic has the most ice it has had since same date 2009 according to the NSIDC.

Failed Predicitons of Ice-Free Arctic: If You Like Your Ice-Free Arctic, You Can Keep Your Ice-Free Arctic | Climate Depot
<snip>
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013′
James Hansen : ‘This is the last chance’
6/23/2008
“We see a tipping point occurring right before our eyes,” Hansen told the AP before the luncheon. “The Arctic is the first tipping point and it’s occurring exactly the way we said it would.”
Hansen, echoing work by other scientists, said that in five to 10 years, the Arctic will be free of sea ice in the summer.
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Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph | Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis

The discussion was of Antarctic ice, not Arctic ice. Even so, the Arctic ice "argument" is a prediction on whether sea ice will be basically gone during the summers in the near term or perhaps a later date such as 2030.

 

[code1211]

Yeah, it grows during the winter, and shrinks during the summer. The issue is there is a net loss of ice each year.

Antarctic ice is at the all time high setting new records every year.

Arctic ice is at a 5 year high.

 

[code1211]

The discussion was of Antarctic ice, not Arctic ice. Even so, the Arctic ice "argument" is a prediction on whether sea ice will be basically gone during the summers in the near term or perhaps a later date such as 2030.

In the antarctic, the ice is on pace to set another record this year as it seems to do in most years.


Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag
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On July 1, Antarctic sea ice extent was at 16.16 million square kilometers (6.24 million square miles), or 1.37 million square kilometers (529,000 square miles) above the 1981 to 2010 average.

More notably, sea ice extent on that date was 760,000 square kilometers (293,000 square miles) higher than the 2013 extent for the same day, and thus is on pace to possibly surpass the record high extent over the period of satellite observations that was recorded last September.
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[code1211]

The discussion was of Antarctic ice, not Arctic ice. Even so, the Arctic ice "argument" is a prediction on whether sea ice will be basically gone during the summers in the near term or perhaps a later date such as 2030.

Or ever.

 

[Verax]

In the antarctic, the ice is on pace to set another record this year as it seems to do in most years.


Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag
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On July 1, Antarctic sea ice extent was at 16.16 million square kilometers (6.24 million square miles), or 1.37 million square kilometers (529,000 square miles) above the 1981 to 2010 average.

More notably, sea ice extent on that date was 760,000 square kilometers (293,000 square miles) higher than the 2013 extent for the same day, and thus is on pace to possibly surpass the record high extent over the period of satellite observations that was recorded last September.
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And...

This is nothing new, the implication here is preying on ignorance, as usual.

http://psc.apl.washington.edu/zhang/Pubs/Zhang_Antarctic_20-11-2515.pdf
Non-annular atmospheric circulation change induced by stratospheric ozone depletion and its role in the recent increase of Antarctic sea ice extent - Turner - 2009 - Geophysical Research Letters - Wiley Online Library
Simulation of Recent Southern Hemisphere Climate Change

 

[Jack Hays]

And...

[h=2]Sea ice news Volume 5, # 5 NSIDC: ‘the expansion in Antarctic sea ice is confirmed’[/h] Posted on August 7, 2014 by Anthony Watts
From NSIDC: Sled dog days of summer
NSIDC reports near record Antarctic sea ice extent in July
Arctic sea ice extent declined at a fairly rapid rate through the first three weeks of July, but the loss rate then slowed due to a shift in weather patterns. In Antarctica, the advance of sea ice nearly halted for about a week in early July, and then resumed. At the end of the month, Antarctic extent was at or near a record high for this time of year.
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[Lord of Planar]

It was already confirmed.

If you read the fine print of the satellite anomaly information, the data showed it was expanding less than thought, but still expanding.

 

[LowDown]

It was already confirmed.

If you read the fine print of the satellite anomaly information, the data showed it was expanding less than thought, but still expanding.

The motto of climate scientists: If the data disagrees with our theory then the data is wrong.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

How can total volume go down while total area goes up?

What a conundrum.

 

[Threegoofs]

Here. Let a trained scientist explain it to you instead of Anthony Watts:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...se-so-why-is-antarcticas-ice-sheet-expanding/

 

[Jack Hays]

Here. Let a trained scientist explain it to you instead of Anthony Watts:

Climate change is getting worse. So why is Antarctica’s sea ice expanding? - The Washington Post

Just your usual ad hominem blah blah. The data was from the National Snow and Ice Data Center, not Anthony Watts. Your linked article does nothing more than note the question is interesting. Indeed.eace

 

[Threegoofs]

Just your usual ad hominem blah blah. The data was from the National Snow and Ice Data Center, not Anthony Watts. Your linked article does nothing more than note the question is interesting. Indeed.eace

Post #12 was Watts. I'm just producing information from actual experts, rather than self proclaimed experts.

 

[Jack Hays]

Post #12 was Watts. I'm just producing information from actual experts, rather than self proclaimed experts.

Watts posted it. The data was NSIDC. Read first, then post.eace

 

[Threegoofs]

Nor has there been anything new since al gore began his publicity stunt. The article was dated yesterday.

It actually is 'new'.

And what it tells us is that science is complicated, and amateurs and fringe bloggers can not really be relied on to understand it. Much like the fact you wouldn't go to a nutritional healing blogger when you are diagnosed with a malignant cancer, we need to listen to the experts.

http://www.egu.eu/news/118/is-antarctic-sea-ice-cover-really-setting-record-highs/

 

[Threegoofs]

Watts posted it. The data was NSIDC. Read first, then post.eace

I think we'd all do better if the data wasn't laundered through the WUWT spin cycle.

 

[Jack Hays]

It actually is 'new'.

And what it tells us is that science is complicated, and amateurs and fringe bloggers can not really be relied on to understand it. Much like the fact you wouldn't go to a nutritional healing blogger when you are diagnosed with a malignant cancer, we need to listen to the experts.

EGU - News & Press - Has Antarctic sea ice expansion been overestimated?

That's the claim that NSIDC was correcting.eace

 

[HogWash]

It actually is 'new'.

And what it tells us is that science is complicated, and amateurs and fringe bloggers can not really be relied on to understand it. Much like the fact you wouldn't go to a nutritional healing blogger when you are diagnosed with a malignant cancer, we need to listen to the experts.

EGU - News & Press - Has Antarctic sea ice expansion been overestimated?

The expert liars who also happen to be democrats? Like Al gore? And the "expert" scientists that obviously voted for his sorry ass being liberal democrats themselves?

What's really happening in Antarctica is exactly the opposite of what the 'experts' predicted years ago. And it's killing their sorry expert asses.

 

[Jack Hays]

I think we'd all do better if the data wasn't laundered through the WUWT spin cycle.

There's no laundering. Don't fight the data.eace

 

[Lord of Planar]

How can total volume go down while total area goes up?

What a conundrum.

Volume includes thickness.

One acre of ice 2 ft thick is twice as much ice as one acre of ice 1 ft thick.